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Old 09-10-2020, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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It would be a great thing if the latest generation of young folks REBELLED against all the LEFTIST propaganda they were indoctrinated with.

It would be great if they embraced the notion that ALL MEN were born EQUAL (before the law, none higher) and that ALL MEN were endowed by their Creator with (natural) rights, (natural and personal) liberties, absolute ownership of private property and that AMERICA'S GOVERNMENTS were instituted to secure those endowed rights.

OF COURSE, that would require them to also inquire as to HOW THEY LOST THAT ENDOWMENT.

Consider that the law says you were endowed with the right to life and liberty, but citizens have mandatory militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - which is an obvious violation of that endowment.

The law (and court decisions) states that it's voluntary, yet noncompliant parties were routinely prosecuted as draft dodgers. OH, I forgot to point out that mandatory civic duties only apply to CITIZENS.

American nationals / non-citizens retain their endowed rights.

This brings up the question : HOW did a government instituted to secure endowed rights of the sovereign people claim the power to impose CITIZENSHIP upon infants who obviously cannot consent to be governed?

Can't have it both ways ...
Either we all have endowed rights that government was instituted to secure
-or-
We all are subject citizens at birth, with no endowed rights - only government privileges.
If the former, that is in harmony with the republican form of government.
If the latter, that is involuntary servitude, and a violation of the republican form and the 13th amendment.

Ask your public servant to explain themselves.
. . . . .
P.S. - consent of the governed, waives all endowed rights. You do know how and when you consented, right?
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:07 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Ah, so this is not a discussion about free software. Oh well.
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:23 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Natural law....yawn.
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Old 09-10-2020, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It would be a great thing if the latest generation of young folks REBELLED against all the LEFTIST propaganda they were indoctrinated with.

It would be great if they embraced the notion that ALL MEN were born EQUAL (before the law, none higher) and that ALL MEN were endowed by their Creator with (natural) rights, (natural and personal) liberties, absolute ownership of private property and that AMERICA'S GOVERNMENTS were instituted to secure those endowed rights.

OF COURSE, that would require them to also inquire as to HOW THEY LOST THAT ENDOWMENT.

Consider that the law says you were endowed with the right to life and liberty, but citizens have mandatory militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - which is an obvious violation of that endowment.

The law (and court decisions) states that it's voluntary, yet noncompliant parties were routinely prosecuted as draft dodgers. OH, I forgot to point out that mandatory civic duties only apply to CITIZENS.

American nationals / non-citizens retain their endowed rights.

This brings up the question : HOW did a government instituted to secure endowed rights of the sovereign people claim the power to impose CITIZENSHIP upon infants who obviously cannot consent to be governed?

Can't have it both ways ...
Either we all have endowed rights that government was instituted to secure
-or-
We all are subject citizens at birth, with no endowed rights - only government privileges.
If the former, that is in harmony with the republican form of government.
If the latter, that is involuntary servitude, and a violation of the republican form and the 13th amendment.

Ask your public servant to explain themselves.
. . . . .
P.S. - consent of the governed, waives all endowed rights. You do know how and when you consented, right?
Then why the hell did Trump quit promoting changing the constitution so infants of foreign parents born in the U. S. would not get automatic citizenship? Anyway, there is no way in hell I'm voting for Trump.
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Old 09-10-2020, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the [American] people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Restating: American people are sovereigns under the republican form. They retain all their endowed rights.
The government is their agent, helping secure their endowed rights - and nothing more.

So can such a government impose citizenship at birth? Voiding all endowed rights?

CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.â€
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
. . .
The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed.
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc.

Go read the law for yourself or write polite questionnaires to "your" attorney general, district attorney, presiding judge, etc, for an explanation.

Ask them how and when you consented / surrendered your endowed rights in exchange for their privileges.


[] If at birth, you were born a slave.
[] If by signing up for some 'benefit' or 'privilege', were you fully informed of the consequences?
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Old 09-11-2020, 02:45 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Ah, so this is not a discussion about free software. Oh well.


Discussion? Seems more like a baseless diatribe to me.
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Old 09-11-2020, 03:36 AM
 
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Ah, so this is not a discussion about free software. Oh well.
I think OP is frustrated with the state of Hurd.
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Discussion? Seems more like a baseless diatribe to me.
Quote:
DIATRIBE - A bitter, abusive denunciation.
In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means"
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BASELESS - Having no basis or foundation in fact; unfounded.
So you do not consider that the Declaration of Independence, and court citations are factual.
OKEY DOKEY.
Personal attacks are evidence of capitulation, lacking any facts in rebuttal.
Thank you for the kind words.

Under the republican form, all men are equal before the law and are endowed by their Creator with (natural) rights, (natural and personal) liberties, and absolute ownership of private property (upon which one can pursue happiness without permission of another).
And American governments were instituted to secure those endowed rights, and only govern those who consent to be governed.
^
THAT IS WHAT THE LEFT ARE OPPOSED TO.
From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
They want to eradicate our endowment and will oppose any effort to restore that.
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln

As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, described by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic). And no endowed right can be subject to taxation, regulation or infringement.

Why? Because all men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. Taxing a right would allow the government to diminish it by ever greater taxation.

But once consent is given, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
Again, I ask: Do you know how and when you consented?
And WHO benefits from our ignorance of American law?
Would you really want to surrender your birthright to be a sovereign and become a subject serf in the glorious socialist State?Who wants to steal all private property and transfer it to the "benevolent" collective?

DO NOT BELIEVE ME-
GO READ THE LAW-
WRITE POLITE QUESTIONNAIRES AND ASK "YOUR" PUBLIC SERVANTS.
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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One day jetgraphics is going to get around to explaining how one consents while under duress.
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Old 10-12-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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One day jetgraphics is going to get around to explaining how one consents while under duress.
No one is forcing you to claim to be a citizen, sign up with FICA, or contract with usurers for a personal interest bearing bank account (in which you also agree to abide by the "rules of the bank").
. . .
NO endowed right or liberty is subject to taxation.
Only government privileges are taxable / regulated.
Ergo, all taxes are voluntary.
. . .
Check your own state constitution and statutes.
You will find that "private property" is explicitly protected whereas "estate" (real estate / real property / tangible property, etc) is subject to an ad valorem tax.
You should find a repetition of the self evident truths of the Declaration, stating all men are born equal and have endowed / inherent / sacred / inalienable rights, that governments were instituted to secure.

Perhaps it was glossed over in government indoctrination centers that asserting citizenship was a voluntary act of consent that waived rights. Perhaps one hasn't figured out that all those government forms that have you check off the box for [] citizenship is redundant, unless there were other statuses at law.

Best of all, if fraud was used to induce your consent, you have the RIGHT to object, and void any and all compacts, etc, etc.
However, once you leave, you can never ever use that trapdoor. Any return to the "burning barn" will be deemed 100% voluntary.
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