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Old 09-19-2020, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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New York is fairly high on the list. You’d think they would have been “educated” enough not to kill grandparents by forcing Covid patients into nursing homes.
You'd think they'd at least be smart enough to respond negatively to polls on Cuomo's job as governor, but his approval rating went up as New Yorker's grand parents were dying by the thousands, because Cuomo forced COVID infected patients into nursing homes.

I don't understand Democrats, what the hell does it take for them to wake up and open their eyes???????
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:57 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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So what's your point?
Not much of a point really. College education isn't a big deal anymore and really I think colleges pump you full of garbage unless you are in a certain field like medicine, math, biology or engineering to name some.

College is dated and needs to be changed out for something more focused.

Anyway, it means very little how much college someone has. Life experience trumps it.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:58 AM
 
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Educational attainment? Is that the level of education attained by the average student i.e grade level or is it attainable education available? Also how do you quantify the "quality" of the education.

Hard to take a study serious that doesn't give out a basic methodology.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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New York is fairly high on the list. You’d think they would have been “educated” enough not to kill grandparents by forcing Covid patients into nursing homes.
Or elect an idiot like Bill DeBlasio, and then re-elect him!
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:00 PM
 
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Don't you think education is important for a civilized first world country?

Without education we wouldn't have medical treatment, vaccines, technology, safe infrastructure, etc... instead, we would have superstition and ignorance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seS1ZYnJHBw
Tell that to all the teachers' unions who refuse to go back to class to teach, especially in the "highly educated" state of New York. But it's a democrat run state, and unions tend to be democrat led as well, so I'm guessing the unions and state are happy to not have children in school. IMO Democrats are NOT for education, but brainwashing.
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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There is another dimension to all of this which makes it painful.

The business community controls many of the statehouses (that's why the business community is such big fans of state's rights ... the states are easier to dominate and corrupt than the Federal government), they are primarily interested in keeping their own expenses down. The largest expenses tend to be wages/benefits and taxes.

As a result, states dominated by industry tend to be more likely to oppose labor and trades unions (see 'Right to Work' legislation), more likely to have a lower minimum wage and more likely to have a lower unemployment compensation.

Dominated states are also more likely neglect their schools. The wages of public servants: like teachers and like firefighters and police officers, are generally depressed in those states. There is less spending money in the average household and the community as a whole and less money to set aside for retirement.

Of course these people always feel pinched, and they feel like they are neglected ... and of course they are correct. They also feel like they have little to no control of their circumstances, they can't persuade or coerce employers to pay more so they turn their attention, and their rage, to the 'guv'ment'. They become willing accomplices with their exploiters in the battle against taxes. They go red.

Nobody likes taxes, I don't and you don't. But we understand that any community worth living in needs good schools, hospitals, libraries, parks, shelters for the indigent and first class universities. Quality of life is important to us so we compromise and agree to fund some of these things. When your backs against the wall though, as it is for many unfortunate people in red states, you fight like hell against even the smallest bond issue and things get neglected. The children's future get's neglected.

It's a vicious cycle. It's like people don't even understand the basic origin of their problems.
The above does a good job explaining why Oklahoma is the way it is as a state always dwelling near the bottom. But ultimately, life is how you make it, not the state you live in. Interesting how states have more people than other states, who aren't too lazy to get ahead, seek more education and make for themselves better lives. In the lower quality states, some people find they have to leave their states to realize their ambitious dreams.
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:10 PM
 
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Tell that to all the teachers' unions who refuse to go back to class to teach, especially in the "highly educated" state of New York. But it's a democrat run state, and unions tend to be democrat led as well, so I'm guessing the unions and state are happy to not have children in school. IMO Democrats are NOT for education, but brainwashing.
Democrat's are for common sense safe practices, and unions are all about protecting their membership. Very commendable.

My grandchildren are learning from home, I know because I am helping them while their mom works. I would prefer that things were different, I wish things were safer for the children and for myself, but I understand the sacrifices we need to make.

I don't blame the union's position (in those places where they have taken that position, it's not like that everywhere). I am retired and I considered taking a part time job driving a school bus, but honestly I don't want to drive a busload of strangers around and possibly catch something from one of them. I don't know how bus drivers and teachers do it frankly ... they are heroes as far as I am concerned.
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
There is another dimension to all of this which makes it painful.

The business community controls many of the statehouses (that's why the business community is such big fans of state's rights ... the states are easier to dominate and corrupt than the Federal government), they are primarily interested in keeping their own expenses down. The largest expenses tend to be wages/benefits and taxes.

As a result, states dominated by industry tend to be more likely to oppose labor and trades unions (see 'Right to Work' legislation), more likely to have a lower minimum wage and more likely to have a lower unemployment compensation.

Dominated states are also more likely neglect their schools. The wages of public servants: like teachers and like firefighters and police officers, are generally depressed in those states. There is less spending money in the average household and the community as a whole and less money to set aside for retirement.

Of course these people always feel pinched, and they feel like they are neglected ... and of course they are correct. They also feel like they have little to no control of their circumstances, they can't persuade or coerce employers to pay more so they turn their attention, and their rage, to the 'guv'ment'. They become willing accomplices with their exploiters in the battle against taxes. They go red.

Nobody likes taxes, I don't and you don't. But we understand that any community worth living in needs good schools, hospitals, libraries, parks, shelters for the indigent and first class universities. Quality of life is important to us so we compromise and agree to fund some of these things. When your backs against the wall though, as it is for many unfortunate people in red states, you fight like hell against even the smallest bond issue and things get neglected. The children's future get's neglected.

It's a vicious cycle. It's like people don't even understand the basic origin of their problems.
^^^This. For years the business community in america has engaged in a concerted effort to diminish rudimentary education and to make higher education more expensive and harder to finance. Why?
Because under educated people work for less and (let’s be honest) are easier to control.
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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New York dropped down due to trump university.
You have to constantly prove your low information, weak minded reputation don't you?
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Not much of a point really. College education isn't a big deal anymore and really I think colleges pump you full of garbage unless you are in a certain field like medicine, math, biology or engineering to name some.

College is dated and needs to be changed out for something more focused.

Anyway, it means very little how much college someone has. Life experience trumps it.
A college education is still the leading indicator of a persons earning potential and that includes those who choose to be self employed.
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