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Because liberals don't read, as usual. Same article.
1. As others already noted deaths lag by weeks. I still remembers posts on this forum following explosion of cases in TX, FL, etc. saying that it didn't matter since deaths were staying flat initially. Well, then they didn't.
2. None of Sweden's peers is doing any worse currently, so what was the benefit of the "herd immunity" approach? Cumulative death rate in Sweden is about an order of magnitude higher give or take compared to the same peers.
Now, as coronavirus infection numbers surge again in much of Europe, Sweden — a country of 10 million people — has some of the lowest numbers of new cases and only 14 COVID-19 patients in intensive care.
“We must recognize that Sweden, at the moment, has avoided the increase that has been seen in some of the other countries in Western Europe,” Catherine Smallwood, the WHO’s senior emergency officer for Europe, said. “I think there are lessons for that. We will be very keen on working and hearing more from the Swedish approach.”
1. As others already noted deaths lag by weeks. I still remembers posts on this forum following explosion of cases in TX, FL, etc. saying that it didn't matter since deaths were staying flat initially. Well, then they didn't.
2. None of Sweden's peers is doing any worse currently, so what was the benefit of the "herd immunity" approach? Cumulative death rate in Sweden is about an order of magnitude higher give or take compared to the same peers.
TX case totals are ~20% higher than US average, but deaths are 10% below.
FL cases are almost 50% higher than US average, but their deaths are only about 5% higher.
that's without any consideration of racial or age demographics.
TX case totals are ~20% higher than US average, but deaths are 10% below.
FL cases are almost 50% higher than US average, but their deaths are only about 5% higher.
that's without any consideration of racial or age demographics.
1. I'm not talking about that. There was a several weeks long lag before the rapid increase in cases was reflected in deaths.
2. Obviously later hit states should have lower death/case than the early hit states. Treatments, patient management, understanding of the disease all have improved since the early days.
3. Comparing the number of cases across time does not work anyway, due to the severely botched testing situation in the early months.
1. I'm not talking about that. There was a several weeks long lag before the rapid increase in cases was reflected in deaths.
2. Obviously later hit states should have lower death/case than the early hit states. Treatments, patient management, understanding of the disease all have improved since the early days.
3. Comparing the number of cases across time does not work anyway, due to the severely botched testing situation in the early months.
if anyone argued that deaths didn't lag cases by 14 (NY metro) - 21 days (everywhere else), they were wrong.
I didn't compare TX/FL death rates to NY, but to the listed US average.
As to your #3, I'm not sure what you mean, other than maybe "lots of people didn't get tested properly/accurately early on". There's no data to support the notion that deaths were higher because folks were turned away from the hospital, is there?
Now, as coronavirus infection numbers surge again in much of Europe, Sweden — a country of 10 million people — has some of the lowest numbers of new cases and only 14 COVID-19 patients in intensive care.
“We must recognize that Sweden, at the moment, has avoided the increase that has been seen in some of the other countries in Western Europe,” Catherine Smallwood, the WHO’s senior emergency officer for Europe, said. “I think there are lessons for that. We will be very keen on working and hearing more from the Swedish approach.”
Cases mean squat. Hospitalizations and deaths are all that matters. You realize unless you have permanent perpetual lockdowns you can’t prevent all cases?
EXACTLY.
These pro-lockdown people don't understand that cases are just that, cases. They aren't even conclusive!
But since deaths and hospitalizations are way, way down, they want to continue to obsess over the "cases" now. They are just so invested into the fear and scare tactics that they can't let go of it.
Its just like the aids epidemic. People thought you can catch it and die instantly by just touching someone who was gay. Unreal.
One day stats mean nothing. Even a month means nothing. Maybe with two years or so of data they will be able to compare different approaches by various states and nations and get some meaningful idea of whether one did better than others. However they will have to adjust for demographics, density, climate, and other factors.
For now it makes great fodder for the "i told you so"(ers) on either side to take turns puffing themselves up and claiming they were right after all (until something changes).
I would bet a five pound fish that in the end, none of the approaches will turn out better than others it will only change the timing but the net percentages in similarly situated locations will all be close. It will get around to everyone eventually.
Of course I can bet a five pound fish with no risk. I will only take me half an hour or so to walk out in front of our house and catch one. So it is a safe bet either way.
Oh look its the "cases dont mean anything its the deaths!"
2 weeks later its "Yeah the deaths are bad, but really its all about the cases"
Pathetic.
And you know...we have vaccines coming, maybe we should just lock the heck down in the meantime?
Just wear a mask. No one is going to lockdown again. That ship sailed the minute the experts said protests were okay while throwing hair salon and gym owners in jail for wanting to earn a living.
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