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Old 10-20-2020, 09:40 AM
 
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It's only a problem because of Trump.

The title itself implies that if a president loses but has to serve out the remainder couple months, the president is "lame" and will do absolutely nothing with that time.

With Trump, you have to think he'll act like a furious girlfriend and throw all your clothes in the street and set fire to them.
Did you feel the same way when Bill Clinton pardoned people like Marc Rich or Obama let a bunch of criminal thugs out of prison, some with gun possession felonies, just because of the color of their skin?

Who knows what Trump will do if he were to lose. But rest assured it will not be some horrible apocalyptical nightmare many TDSers have been having every night since he was elected.

Trump will certainly be the best one (of the two running) to help bring our economy back from COVID, rather than the "new normal" Biden would, with comfort in 1% growth.


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Old 10-20-2020, 09:47 AM
 
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Did you feel the same way when Bill Clinton pardoned people like Marc Rich or Obama let a bunch of criminal thugs out of prison, some with gun possession felonies, just because of the color of their skin?

Who knows what Trump will do if he were to lose. But rest assured it will not be some horrible apocalyptical nightmare many TDSers have been having every night since he was elected.

Trump will certainly be the best one (of the two running) to help bring our economy back from COVID, rather than the "new normal" Biden would, with comfort in 1% growth.


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I'll ask what no one seems to ever want to ask. If the economy was so great FOR EVERYONE pre-COVID, as Trump likes to claim, why were thousands of people on line for food within a month of the shut down (don't deny it, there's video)? If the economy was SO great, why were so many businesses driven to closure after a couple of months? If you're not heavily involved in the stock market or already wealthy, the economy was NOT terrific. Was unemployment low? Absolutely. But if you're working 2-3 jobs just to make the rent (not MY problem, but still evident), the economy is NOT great. If you cannot survive for 2 months without income, the economy is not great. If you don't have any time of cash reserve, the economy is not great.

This is not shaming any of the people who this applies to, but the people who think "it's their fault" or "they don't count".
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:28 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'll ask what no one seems to ever want to ask. If the economy was so great FOR EVERYONE pre-COVID, as Trump likes to claim, why were thousands of people on line for food within a month of the shut down (don't deny it, there's video)?
Because millions of idiots spend everything they earn and live paycheck to paycheck. Incredibly stupid. They're now suffering the consequences of their own choices.

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If the economy was SO great, why were so many businesses driven to closure after a couple of months?
Many small businesses have razor thin profit margins. They have to stay open to remain viable.

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If you're not heavily involved in the stock market or already wealthy, the economy was NOT terrific.
Here's the good news... Tens of millions (if not more) American workers and retirees have in aggregate $29.1 trillion worth of investments in their pension plans/funds and/or retirement accounts. They've all benefited.

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Was unemployment low? Absolutely. But if you're working 2-3 jobs just to make the rent (not MY problem, but still evident), the economy is NOT great. If you cannot survive for 2 months without income, the economy is not great. If you don't have any time of cash reserve, the economy is not great.
Again, that's typically the result of one's own choices. Can't afford rent or have $0 in savings? Get a roommate. Cut unnecessary expenses, etc. Learn to save/invest because NO ONE lives a 100% charmed life and sails through without any rough patches. Live and learn.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:30 AM
 
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Because millions of idiots spend everything they earn and live paycheck to paycheck. Incredibly stupid. They're now suffering the consequences of their own choices.

Many small businesses have razor thin profit margins. They have to stay open to remain viable.

Here's the good news... Tens of millions (if not more) American workers and retirees have in aggregate $29.1 trillion worth of investments in their pension plans/funds and/or retirement accounts. They've all benefited.

Again, that's typically the result of one's own choices. Can't afford rent or have $0 in savings? Get a roommate. Cut unnecessary expenses, etc. Learn to save/invest because NO ONE lives a 100% charmed life and sails through without any rough patches. Live and learn.
Proving people who my last sentence applies to don't have the impulse control to refrain from commenting and proving me right.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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Proving people who my last sentence applies to don't have the impulse control to refrain from commenting and proving me right.
Everything I said is true. Which of any of it do you dispute?
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:48 AM
 
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Everything I said is true. Which of any of it do you dispute?

Apparently he thinks that all of those things are unique to the Trump economy and not part of human nature.

As if people haven't been living paycheck to paycheck and over spending to live beyond their means for decades.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:49 AM
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Proving people who my last sentence applies to don't have the impulse control to refrain from commenting and proving me right.
Impulse control - that's what people who don't save need - impulse control. The problem is many people these days want the toys, latest tech and don't think about tomorrow - they want instant gratification. Also many of these people received unemployment - making more on the extra handout of $600 a week than my husband brings home working 40 hours. There was no need for them to stand in food lines or take their kids for free lunches. I know people in my area with money who took their kids for free lunches because it was free - they didn't need it - but it was something to do with the kids.

Now your comeback will be some people live paycheck to paycheck - and they do - but you're preaching to the choir son as I was one of those people. DH got laid off after we had our first child. Very little in savings. I had a school loan, hospital and dr bills from my son's birth - but we made it through with no help from our parents. We had food stamps for 2 months and I learned to budget, meal plan and coupon. Each bill was pd monthly - I remember sending the hospital and dr $10 a month - that's all we could afford. Problem is people aren't responsible these days for the most part. They don't want to do without.

If I can survey on $2400 a month - they surely can with unemployment and that extra $600. I know people that blew theirs on vacation and TVs, new carpeting ect... so cry me a river.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:52 AM
 
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Frum has lost his marbles. The last part about Qanon was completely incoherent.

What Trump should do is declassify EVERYTHING.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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Trump has been a politician for 3.5 years. He is not the Swamp.

You're funny. Look at his cabinet picks.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper - Raytheon lobbyist from 2010, named "Top Corporate Lobbyist" two years in a row, and holder with a deferred compensation package linked to Raytheon's stock price in 2022. That's apparently legal and will, I'm sure, in no way make Mr. Esper make decisions to benefit Raytheon.

Dipped his toes in think tanks and whatnot as well. Never faced a vote, stands to make himself rich on funneling taxpayer money to his actual paymasters. Care to explain why he should not be considered part of the swamp?
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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You're funny. Look at his cabinet picks.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper - Raytheon lobbyist from 2010, named "Top Corporate Lobbyist" two years in a row, and holder with a deferred compensation package linked to Raytheon's stock price in 2022. That's apparently legal and will, I'm sure, in no way make Mr. Esper make decisions to benefit Raytheon.

Dipped his toes in think tanks and whatnot as well. Never faced a vote, stands to make himself rich on funneling taxpayer money to his actual paymasters. Care to explain why he should not be considered part of the swamp?
If he had brought in Joe Schmo to be Defense Secretary, people would complain that some novice would be running things. Who is he supposed to choose?

Yes - at the outset, he did pick many people who are career politicians for the Cabinet. They are supposedly the experts are seemingly could be trusted and had the country's best interest at heart.

Then he figured out many of them did not share his vision for the country, and they leaked information. So he got rid of those who could not be trusted. We are not seeing much turnover anymore. He got rid of them. We aren't seeing any leaks either. In the past, the Swamp would have gotten wind that the Hunter Biden laptop story was coming - but not now.

What he did with regards to wiping out the Swamp that he could not trust and protecting classified info is amazing.
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