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lolol.. thank you for proving my point, Wanna. Believe it or not, the majority of us want to move beyond juvenile rhetoric. I have been an adult for decades. I have my opinions and preferences, but I am ready, willing, and able to engage in thoughtful debate and seek to compromise with fellow Americans who see things differently. There's no home for people like me in the GOP. Is it any wonder why so many have defected to the Democratic Party this election cycle?
What we don't know yet for sure is if Trump is an anomaly, or has the R party changed forever? I tend to think he is an anomaly. An outsider. Outsiders become president rarely.
There will always be moderates on both sides. And there are more moderates then extremists. Moderates come across conventional. Extremists propose drastic changes.
I think Trump found Washington so deeply entrenched in political corruption he really can't do much about it expect complain on twitter. At least someone is complaining. But one man can't fix the mess up there.
What we don't know yet for sure is if Trump is an anomaly, or has the R party changed forever? I tend to think he is an anomaly. An outsider. Outsiders become president rarely.
There will always be moderates on both sides. And there are more moderates then extremists. Moderates come across conventional. Extremists propose drastic changes.
I think Trump found Washington so deeply entrenched in political corruption he really can't do much about it expect complain on twitter. At least someone is complaining. But one man can't fix the mess up there.
I wish you were right, James, but I don't think so. I think both parties have been pulling toward their extremes for awhile now, but the GOP has gone much, much further. Trump is best described as a flying leap toward a running start.
I have been a Democrat since I was 18, but I am retired veteran in my mid 40s. I'm considering starting a business. I'm at the age where I should be voting Republican. My brother-in-law is a business owner (and gun owner) in northern Michigan. He should be voting Republican. But we're not. And we're probably not going to anytime soon. Yep, I get what folks are saying about BLM... and "bright" ideas like defunding the police. I'm listening to that and thinking.. this is going too far.. .but ... I look to the other side and see over 50 percent believe in a clearly made up conspiracy theory that Democrats are satanic pedophiles? Uh what? That's just lunancy.
Can't we get back to figuring out the basics of good government together? Compromising, listening to reason, respecting expert opinion, applying the principal of live and let live wherever possible? Etc. Etc. That "deep state" nonsense isn't landing with me whatsoever.
The disastrous Bushes? I sure hope not. Reagan was vastly overrated.
McCains and Romney's best quality is they are not insane. Both would make better Senators than presidents.
Curiously, the most competent candidate they unveiled is Dole, imo.
The Republicans desperately need to nominate much better than the clowns they rolled out in the last five decades.
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I was a child when Reagan was president, but I remember the Reagan years. I think Reagan was a necessary corrective for the liberal monopoly on politics. He expressed an alternative point of view. Consequently, it's not one I agree with today .. trickle down economics has been a disaster .. but I can see why he tried it in 1980. I would have supported that.
I like HW Bush. He put together the greatest military alliance we've seen and handily defeated a foe that needed to be defeated in a measured, sane way. I like that he raised taxes. Good. They needed to go up a little. Dole was ok too... a little boring, but he was the kind of old school Republican I could get behind. W's big, big mistake was the Iraq War. A disaster really that overshadows everything else, but he was on to something with his compassionate conservatism. McCain - not bad .. he fought valiantly to keep the GOP from becoming the party of stupid. He lost. Romney ... I have to admit, I wasn't a fan, but he has shown the kind of courage and judgement I want to see in a leader in the past four years. I didn't vote for him in 2012, but I probably would have voted for him in 2016 if he won the first time.
Let me get this straight - the "extremists" in the Democratic party are calling the shots so they passed over Sanders, Warren, and Yang; and picked..... Biden.
And instead of forcing Biden to pick Warren or AOC as the running mate, they picked... Harris.
To summarize, the "extremists" somehow didn't entertain a Sanders/AOC ticket but went with the Biden/Harris ticket instead.
Why can't the right-wing logic?
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The right wing is so caught up in us socialist, they don't even recognize Biden would be considered Republican lite if he entered politics these days.
The disastrous Bushes? I sure hope not. Reagan was vastly overrated.
McCains and Romney's best quality is they are not insane. Both would make better Senators than presidents.
Curiously, the most competent candidate they unveiled is Dole, imo.
The Republicans desperately need to nominate much better than the clowns they rolled out in the last five decades.
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You mean like the good Democratic candidates such as McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, the Clintons, Kerry, and a literal 78 year old career politician who can't even remember what he's running for?
You're a shill who seems incapable of admitting that the Democrats are a hilariously incompetent party in almost every way, shape, and form.
Both parties are the problem, but the Democrats have crapped the bed just as much.
Said by Lindsey Graham about Joe Biden on Fox News today. I'm not sure if Graham is right, but I am willing to entertain the idea that he is. Perhaps the extremists in the Democratic Party are now calling the shots, and mainstream Democratic politicians are no longer in charge. Maybe. Maybe not.
Here's what I know to be true though - Lindsey Graham is definitely NOT in charge of the Republican Party. Neither is Mitch McConnell or any other mainline Republican politician. The extremists staged a hostile take over of the GOP in 2010. In 2016, the successfully put up a candidate. He's laid the old party to waste. Many in here daily gloat about the smoking ruins.
So what are those of us who still think moderation is the way to go to do? You know, the overwhelming majority who believe in live and let live in social issues? Those who'd like to have an economy that benefits the working and middle classes instead of just the wealthy? Those who don't fear and loathe fellow citizens who happen to vote differently.?
Donald Trump has shown us repeatedly there is certainly not a home for us in the Republican Party any longer. Soooo... guess we'll have to try to find one in the Democratic Party, right?
Anyone care to make the case that the GOP still has room for moderates?
how about lets start with you naming a "extremist" position of the Republican party that exists today?
because what im telling you is that you are so utterly wrong that i don't think you were ever close to being a republican.
here i am sitting here waiting for you to change my mind
I wish you were right, James, but I don't think so. I think both parties have been pulling toward their extremes for awhile now, but the GOP has gone much, much further.
right there. that's where i stopped. that's either an utterly disingenuous statement or an utterly ignorant one.
Name a single republican position that is extremist.
Democrats almost elected Bernie Sanders. nearly half their party wants a guy that DEMOCRATS called crazy 20 years ago.
There is OPEN Talk in the democrat party about ENDING CAPTIALISM. They want a centrally planned economy. That is extremists extremism.
They put forward this thing called The Green New Deal. that will literally destroy the economy. They want to spend 20 trillion dollars that we don't have.
Their intellectual leaders in colleges and in congress talk about POLITICAL SPEECH AS VIOLENCE. That is an actual thing!
They talk openly about "open boarders". literally meaning anyone that shows up, we hand citizenship to. ANYONE.
the democrat wing of the democrat party believes things that are a thousand miles from where the democrat party was just 30 years ago when Clinton was elected.
You mean like the good Democratic candidates such as McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, the Clintons, Kerry, and a literal 78 year old career politician who can't even remember what he's running for?
You're a shill who seems incapable of admitting that the Democrats are a hilariously incompetent party in almost every way, shape, and form.
Both parties are the problem, but the Democrats have crapped the bed just as much.
Even at their worst days, you just cannot imagine any one of the Democrats starting a Middle East quagmire, engineering the Great Recession, finishing last in handling a pandemic, or having their underlinks go around the boss and do their own things.
People who hates government are the worst at running it. It's not rocket science.
Even at their worst days, you just cannot imagine any one of the Democrats starting a Middle East quagmire, engineering the Great Recession, finishing last in handling a pandemic, or having their underlinks go around the boss and do their own things.
People who hates government are the worst at running it. It's not rocket science.
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are you kidding me? Obama screwed up the ME BIGLY!
As for the great recession, it was BUILT on the back of leftist policy that created really terrible offerings of mortgages to people who really couldn't afford them. AND really bad law written by Robert Reich (D) Phil Graham (R) when Bill Clinton was president.... and agreed to by like 96 senators.
George Bush ATTEMPTED To point out what was coming and both Barny Frank and Maxine Waters shouted his people down and called them racists.
As for the handling of the pandemic, every freaking thing Biden said should be done, Trump already did. except a national mask mandate which he followed up by pointing out that it would be unconstitutional.
how about lets start with you naming a "extremist" position of the Republican party that exists today?
because what im telling you is that you are so utterly wrong that i don't think you were ever close to being a republican.
here i am sitting here waiting for you to change my mind
You'll be sitting for a long time because I'm not a Republican and don't pretend to be. What I said is that if the Republican Party didn't fall off the deep end, I'd be a sometimes Republican voter at this point in my life. I'd vote for a McCain or Romney over Bernie Sanders these days.
Here's what I consider to be extreme about the Republican Party:
- Any time someone opens their mouth to say "deep state," they've lost me. Sorry. I just don't believe that an evil cabal of government bureaucrats are working behind the scenes toward nefarious ends.
- Any time someone expresses skepticism about the veracity of the news reported in mainline institutional media, you've lost me. Sorry. The NYT doesn't always get it right, but its batting average is much better than OAN.
- Disregard and disrespect for science in regards to climate change, viruses, etc. - um, no thanks. I'm a rational person. Not interested in medieval thinking.
- The belief that it is the right of every American to carry a loaded weapon any time, everywhere. I support the second amendment. I don't support that extreme interpretation of it.
I could go on. but I'm sure you have all the evidence you need that the GOP in its current form has no place for me. It doesn't.
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