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Old 10-23-2020, 08:46 AM
 
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We have the leaders of the two major parties both declining. Trump shows all the signs of slipping into confabulation and dementia with anger. Biden of a mind slowing unwinding into soft silence. Hopefully someone will pick up the pieces from the extremes of the two parties for a middle road.

The American experience has been one of compromise; an art being lost.

"I confess that I do not entirely approve of this Constitution at present: but, Sir, I am not sure I shall never approve it; for having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change my opinion even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise . . . Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution, because I expect no better and because I am not sure that it is not the best..."

Benjamin Franklin Tuesday September 17, 1787
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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For what? The American people won't stand for a fake impeachment based on conspiracy theories. THey barely stood for the fake aquittal in the Senate, I don't think it would be a wise move for the GOP to up their dishonesty campaign now. If/when Trump is gone, we need to get back to being Americans, and quit with all the partisan crap.
I agree with you to a certain extent but the democrats are going to end the filibuster, stack the supreme court and add DC and Puerto Rico as states, all of which are fairly partisan and very divisive moves.

If both parties engage in partisanship and refusing to work with each other, come 2022 if they take back the house the GOP will likely push for an impeachment. If Biden tries to govern from the center then perhaps relations can improve but if he governs like Liz Warren then I don't see any change to the partisanship.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:01 AM
 
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The idea that Republicans are going to back in power in two years is ridiculous.
Why? Everyone was saying the same thing in 2008 after Bush. Obama was also a much more inspiring and charismatic figure than Joe Biden is.

Like it or not but mid term performances strongly correlate with approval ratings, if Biden's job numbers are 45% or less he's likely suffer some big losses, as did Trump, Obama, Clinton and Bush all did when their approval ratings were sluggish.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:19 AM
 
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Joe Biden gets impeached (could happen with the information on Hunter's laptop), or is removed otherwise, Harris would then be President.

What happens then, if Obamacare is killed by the Supreme Court? Will we then be faced with the prospect of "Harris Care".

Just say it three times real fast, and your dreams will come true. Harris Care, Harris Care, Harris Care.
Joe won't be removed, although he could step down for health reasons. What is more important though is who wins control of the Senate.

If Obamacare is struck down, millions will be thrown off of their health insurance. Americans will be screaming "what happened to my pre-existing condition coverage?" In that case, it will be essential to pass a new health insurance plan. If the Republicans hold the Senate, any plan of Biden or Harris would have to win over at least a few Republicans. Likewise, if Trump remains in office he will have to work with the House democrats to pass any sort of healthcare bill.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:24 AM
 
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If Obamacare is struck down, millions will be thrown off of their health insurance.

Not true. Read some of the horror stories from people who had Obama care forced on them. Obama care simply made health care "available" to a millions of people, but the premiums/deductibles are so high many never saw any benefit from it.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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The Dems have been on a rampage ever since Trump. The party has been shifting more and more to the left. The left crowd within the party is getting louder and louder. I've never seen anything like this politics wise since I can in the last 35 plus years. Politics is and always has been a nasty game, but it's at a level that is crazy now.

The right leaning crowd has talking points of what they are fearful of if the Dems get all three during this election cycle. I used to think what they were saying was just fear mongering or probably wouldn't happen but if they get total power they could add a couple more states with Dem senators, pack the supreme court and end the filibuster. I just think we'll turn into a one party system if that ever happens.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Not true. Read some of the horror stories from people who had Obama care forced on them. Obama care simply made health care "available" to a millions of people, but the premiums/deductibles are so high many never saw any benefit from it.
I guess nobody took my OP to heart and did the chant. It should sound more like Harris Scare, Harris Scare, Harris Scare!

I guess I'll have to keep my day job, which is retired and happily on Medicare. Good luck people!
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:52 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Joe Biden gets impeached (could happen with the information on Hunter's laptop), or is removed otherwise, Harris would then be President.

What happens then, if Obamacare is killed by the Supreme Court? Will we then be faced with the prospect of "Harris Care".

Just say it three times real fast, and your dreams will come true. Harris Care, Harris Care, Harris Care.
And don't forget to click together three times your ruby slippers!

So, you believe it's better to let Trump go ahead and demolish the ACA with nothing to put in its place and in the middle of a pandemic, no less.

And the republicans have yet to offer us anything else by way of replacement. Vote Democrat or else you are voting to die.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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Harris care could be very simple. Establish a voluntary single payer system like Medicare for those under 65. You can take it or leave it. Those not wanting it can either not have insurance or go the private sector. My guess is most would take it.
Except would the working-age people choosing Medicare pay premiums according to their income, so that lower-income people get it for nearly free while the middle-income seniors who put into the system for 40 years will have their premiums go up? Like Obamacare, but expanded? Sure, that seems fair. NOT.
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:09 AM
 
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Except would the working-age people choosing Medicare pay premiums according to their income, so that lower-income people get it for nearly free while the middle-income seniors who put into the system for 40 years will have their premiums go up? Like Obamacare, but expanded? Sure, that seems fair. NOT.
It would have to be a separate system that provides insurance for those under 65, while still requiring payroll deductions to keep funding Medicare, so they can switch once they turn 65. That is the only way it will be acceptable to seniors.

We have been doing it that way all our lives. Let those coming up do it the same way.
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