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Old 11-22-2020, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Just think if the Speaker of the House was born in Russia, but gained citizenship, and both the Prez and VP were killed or incapacitated....

What happens then?
The Speaker becomes Prez, and we have a Prez that was born in Russia?
No, then the Speaker would be ineligible to assume the office of either President or Vice President. In that situation, the position would go to the next person in the Presidential Line of Succession that IS eligible. If you go to Wikipedia and look at the Presidential Line of Succession, it highlights Elaine Chao (Secretary of Transportation) as being ineligible due to being a naturalized citizen. It doesn't render a person from being ineligible to hold a position normally in the line of succession, including the Speaker of the House.
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Old 11-22-2020, 08:47 PM
 
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That makes her a citizen of the United States if one accepts the Civil Rights Act of 1866 still being valid law, having never been repealed.

But the issue is natural born citizen. Art 2 Sec. 1 is that no person except a natural born citizen shall be eligible to hold the Office of President. You do know the honorable Kamala Harris was born in 1964 and not 1789.
Well the 14th admenment gives citizenship to all persons born in the U.S. and the constitution states that the requirements to be Vice President are the same as for President.
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Old 11-22-2020, 08:50 PM
 
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You bolded "natural born citizen" so that must be relevant to whatever point you're trying to make. That term is not defined by the constitution or even the supreme court. What is your point?
Since it specifies that a person must be a natural born Citizen or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution to be eligible to be President then it does define that there is a difference between a natural born Citizen and a Citizen.

Therefore just because a person is a born a Citizen of the United States does make them a natural born Citizen since a Citizen of the United States is only eligible to be President if they were a Citizen at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution.
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Old 11-22-2020, 08:52 PM
 
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If you are born in the USA and your father is a citizen of another country, then YOU have dual citizenship! Yikes! A president/vp can't have that!


Not to mention her parents were here on temporary VISAs!! And were not registered as permanent resident aliens of the USA when Kamala was born in 1964 in California!
Neither of her parents were U.S. Citizens then!

She is a US Citizen, not a Natural Born Citizen
Nope every country has a different definition of citizenship and the U.S. allows dual citizenship.
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Old 11-22-2020, 08:54 PM
 
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Since it specifies that a person must be a natural born Citizen or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution to be eligible to be President then it does define that there is a difference between a natural born Citizen and a Citizen.

Therefore just because a person is a born a Citizen of the United States does make them a natural born Citizen since a Citizen of the United States is only eligible to be President if they were a Citizen at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution.
Being born in the U.S.A. makes you a natural born citizen. The distention is for people who have immigrated here. They have full rights except they can not be President or Vice President. The constitution gave a loop hole for founding fathers since not all were born here.

In fact article 1 of the constitution is about Congress and article 2 the President.

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Old 11-22-2020, 09:24 PM
 
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Well the 14th admenment gives citizenship to all persons born in the U.S. and the constitution states that the requirements to be Vice President are the same as for President.
True. But 14th amendment citizenship is not same as natural born citizenship. 14th gives US citizenship. Whoever wrote the 14th knew that and could not write the 14th using the term "natural born".

If you are born in the US to parents who are US citizens, you are a natural born US citizen which is a higher status then US citizen. You don't need to refer to the 14th. If a legal document asks you "Are you a US Citizen?". It's not asking "Are you a natural born US citizen?" With both parents US citizens you can reply "yes- natural born".

A natural born citizen is a US Citizen. A US Citizen (in the LEGAL sense) is not a natural born citizen.

Harris is a 14th amendment citizen!
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Old 11-22-2020, 09:29 PM
 
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True. But 14th amendment citizenship is not same as natural born citizenship. Whoever wrote the 14th knew that and could not write the 14th using the term "natural born". Harris is a 14th amendment citizen!
OK, define natural born citizen.....

If you knew anything about U.S. history you would know the purpose of that amendment.
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Old 11-22-2020, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Since it specifies that a person must be a natural born Citizen or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution to be eligible to be President then it does define that there is a difference between a natural born Citizen and a Citizen.

Therefore just because a person is a born a Citizen of the United States does make them a natural born Citizen since a Citizen of the United States is only eligible to be President if they were a Citizen at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution.
Are you trying to argue that one has to be born in one of the states that was in the United State when the Consitution was adopted to be eligible for President or Vice President? If that were the case we've had a whole LOT of presidents that were ineligible for office.

I assume that is what your last sentence means since everyone alive in 1789 is dead now.
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Old 11-22-2020, 09:40 PM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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Yes!!!

I’m so glad to see that you guys have moved on from delusions of election fraud and are now attempting to interpret the Constitution in new and creative ways to further your racist credentials.

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Old 11-22-2020, 09:42 PM
 
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Yes!!!

I’m so glad to see that you guys have moved on from delusions of election fraud and are now attempting to interpret the Constitution in new an creative way to further your racist credentials.
Nah just think they are foreigners who haven't much clue about our laws and history.
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