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Old 12-11-2020, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Placitas, New Mexico
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It’s being held up for political reasons. The Dems want to appear as your savior, and have shamefully tried to use this virus to their advantage. From closing schools to failing to approve a Covid relief package, to bending the election laws, the Dems want to control you.
I could take issue with any one of your issues here, but one falsehood stands out. The Dems in the House by a considerable margin passed a large stimulus bill earlier this year and it is the Republican Senate which will not pass it themselves. There are dozens of Republican senators who are against virtually any stimulus.
So your bias is showing through here. Take off your blinders.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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What are we waiting for?

We've covered this. Verifiable and repeatable data by someone else.
Look, I'm not fundamentally opposed to these things (well, maybe a little) - but the Federal Gov't. (USA) is just simply NOT going to recommend a random drug for a thing without lots - and lots - of verifiable and documented data from a wide variety of sources and a practically unanimous recommendation from the medical community. They just won't.
It's not because it's not (possibly) effective - no - but because the gov't is responsible for making responsible decisions, as silly as that seems in modern times. The policy (allowing treatment based on a small sample of anecdotal evidence - and yes, a few thousand is small) - is just not going to allow it.

It's got nothing to do with any conspiracy or whatever. Again - I am not saying there isn't a conspiracy, or that money isn't involved, or that one of the political parties ain't out to get ya - I'm just saying that NONE OF THAT is necessary - all that's necessary is that they follow their own policy - which is exactly what they're doing.

If you think a doctor (or anyone) testifying in congress is "proof" of some kind - HA - that happens every day for all kinds of things, some sincere and some totally whack-a-doodle.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:17 AM
 
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What are we waiting for?

We've covered this. Verifiable and repeatable data by someone else.
Look, I'm not fundamentally opposed to these things (well, maybe a little) - but the Federal Gov't. (USA) is just simply NOT going to recommend a random drug for a thing without lots - and lots - of verifiable and documented data from a wide variety of sources and a practically unanimous recommendation from the medical community. They just won't.
It's not because it's not (possibly) effective - no - but because the gov't is responsible for making responsible decisions, as silly as that seems in modern times. The policy (allowing treatment based on a small sample of anecdotal evidence - and yes, a few thousand is small) - is just not going to allow it.

It's got nothing to do with any conspiracy or whatever. Again - I am not saying there isn't a conspiracy, or that money isn't involved, or that one of the political parties ain't out to get ya - I'm just saying that NONE OF THAT is necessary - all that's necessary is that they follow their own policy - which is exactly what they're doing.

If you think a doctor (or anyone) testifying in congress is "proof" of some kind - HA - that happens every day for all kinds of things, some sincere and some totally whack-a-doodle.

I hope you’ll watch the video and read this document which shows the scientific evidence for using this drugs that would really be helpful.
https://osf.io/wx3zn/
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:26 AM
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A relative with a comorbidity (severe genetic lung disease) was told to stay home and givin nothing but prednisone. I was suprised they offered nothing else, no reccomendation of anything. Just an fyi
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:39 AM
 
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Why do we continue to remain in limbo and thinking that the only thing that can get us out of this restricted state and back to normal is this fast tracked vaccine? There are known treatments that are not being talked about and even being talked down and repressed. Ivermectin is one of those treatments. It’s a drug has been around for quite some time. It’s cheap, it’s been shown to work yet it’s use is being discouraged. Why?

Please either read or watch the following testimony from Pierre Kory, MD. We have effective treatments. Not using them could be considered murder.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/med...2020-12-08.pdf


https://youtu.be/YgOAaLmoa68
Also Luvox.

https://www.google.com/search?source...4dUDCAg&uact=5

Lack of time is the biggie.

Introducing new treatments in medicine usually happen more slowly than our current Pandemic permits.
Proper studies have to be done and confirmed. Then the information dispersed, learned, adopted and then utilized with adequate confidence by the docs. Typically this takes years, and we've only had months. First do no harm.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:43 AM
 
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A relative with a comorbidity (severe genetic lung disease) was told to stay home and givin nothing but prednisone. I was suprised they offered nothing else, no reccomendation of anything. Just an fyi
It is crazy. They know that early treatment is best yet they aren’t doing it.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:46 AM
 
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Also Luvox.

https://www.google.com/search?source...4dUDCAg&uact=5

Lack of time is the biggie.

Introducing new treatments in medicine usually happen more slowly than our current Pandemic permits.
Proper studies have to be done and confirmed. Then the information dispersed, learned, adopted and then utilized with adequate confidence by the docs. Typically this takes years, and we've only had months. First do no harm.

Thanks for the link. They have had time to study these drugs further but have instead focused on creating new ones. They already know the safety profile of these existing drugs. Waiting around during a pandemic and withholding them makes no sense.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:50 AM
 
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Part conspiracy and part cya medicine. Business as usual. Between the media, big pharma and the paranoid in big medicine it was/is very easy to suppress possible or proven treatments although not formally accepted yet.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Have you ever heard of the phrase "Prevention is better than a cure"? COVID has shown there could be possible long term lung damage, so a prevention is more desirable in the long term. Are cures being worked on? Sure.

It's that simple.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:54 AM
 
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Thanks for the link. They have had time to study these drugs further but have instead focused on creating new ones. They already know the safety profile of these existing drugs. Waiting around during a pandemic and withholding them makes no sense.
The whole world has been investigating old and new drugs all of 2020.

There are many treatment choices available to the docs at the bedside. But they first have to draw on what has worked most dependably in their experience. It is not so easy to change up with therapy mid-stream for everything new as it comes along. Especially with all the seriousness, rapidity and chaos in the ICU. That takes time. Time for the new information/treatment to diffuse into the medical communities and then applied at the bedside.
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