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Old 12-15-2020, 04:05 PM
 
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Got any links or references to back up that assertion? Or did you just make it up from thin air?
How about this from the ruling cited by the OP:
¶15 Respondents also contend that the issue presented is
moot because the clerk corrected his erroneous advice, the election
occurred and Executive Order #12 has expired. However, even in
cases where an issue is moot, we may nevertheless reach the merits
of the dispute. We may do so when "(1) the issue is of great
No. 2020AP557-OA
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public importance; (2) the situation occurs so frequently that a
definitive decision is necessary to guide circuit courts; (3) the
issue is likely to arise again and a decision of the court would
alleviate uncertainty; or (4) the issue will likely be repeated,
but evades appellate review because the appellate review process
cannot be completed or even undertaken in time to have a practical
effect on the parties."
You and OP seem to be wildly misinterpreting this ruling. This has to do with the direction of the Wisconsin Election Commission. Originally they declared that because of Covid-19, all voters were automatically declared to be indefinitely confined. This declaration was the subject of a lawsuit, and a few days later the WEC said that they could not declare all voters indefinitely confined, but each voter had to do it themselves based upon personal circumstances.

So the WEC corrected its statement, it only stood for a few days, and it had an impact on the primary, not the general election. After all of that, the court did agree that it was moot, because the events had happened and could no longer be influenced by the court.

This ruling does not mean what you think it means, and as citation, I will point you back to the ruling. Read it yourself.
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Old 12-15-2020, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Have you noticed how quickly the Democrats' line has changed from "We did nothing wrong" to "We got away with it"?
To quote a Washington politician, "somebody did something".
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Old 12-15-2020, 04:14 PM
 
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How about this from the ruling cited by the OP:
¶15 Respondents also contend that the issue presented is
moot because the clerk corrected his erroneous advice, the election
occurred and Executive Order #12 has expired. However, even in
cases where an issue is moot, we may nevertheless reach the merits
of the dispute. We may do so when "(1) the issue is of great
No. 2020AP557-OA
8
public importance; (2) the situation occurs so frequently that a
definitive decision is necessary to guide circuit courts; (3) the
issue is likely to arise again and a decision of the court would
alleviate uncertainty; or (4) the issue will likely be repeated,
but evades appellate review because the appellate review process
cannot be completed or even undertaken in time to have a practical
effect on the parties."
You and OP seem to be wildly misinterpreting this ruling. This has to do with the direction of the Wisconsin Election Commission. Originally they declared that because of Covid-19, all voters were automatically declared to be indefinitely confined. This declaration was the subject of a lawsuit, and a few days later the WEC said that they could not declare all voters indefinitely confined, but each voter had to do it themselves based upon personal circumstances.

So the WEC corrected its statement, it only stood for a few days, and it had an impact on the primary, not the general election. After all of that, the court did agree that it was moot, because the events had happened and could no longer be influenced by the court.

This ruling does not mean what you think it means, and as citation, I will point you back to the ruling. Read it yourself.
So you've copied and pasted verbiage from the Respondents? Okay. That's part of it, yes.
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Old 12-15-2020, 04:34 PM
 
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So you've copied and pasted verbiage from the Respondents? Okay. That's part of it, yes.
No, this is from the justices, referring to the respondents. In it the justices acknowledge that the issue is moot, but they are ruling for the record.

A moot case is a moot case, and the issue had mostly to do with the authority of the WEC. The whole case revolves around the WEC declaring, for a few days in April, that all citizens of Wisconsin were indefinitely confined because of a gubernatorial executive order.

The WEC corrected itself, the gubernatorial order expired, and everybody went back to the status quo of having each individual voter decide for themselves whether or not they were indefinitely confined. This basically means that every voter in Wisconsin had to check a box saying that they had determined they were confined, and then they got to vote by mail.

This is not a big deal at all. It opens no doors, and it had zero impact on the general election. This is a big nothing burger. It revolves around such a minor detail for the primary election that it does not even change the Trump teams 1-59 win/loss record.

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Old 12-15-2020, 04:55 PM
 
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We still didn't do anything wrong, Trump is just feeding you lies constantly and you appear to be falling for them hook, line, and sinker.
Have you ever watched the many hearings being held in the contested states? Have you listened to the evidence? Have you seen the numbers, the impossibilities, the underage, the double votes, the greater than sent out mail in ballot counts, the more votes than voters?

President Trump has not went to any great detail of the corruption but the poll workers and the lawyers have explained and detailed plenty.

You did do something wrong. By choosing to be ignorant of the facts doesn't make you innocent.
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Old 12-15-2020, 05:05 PM
 
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No, this is from the justices, referring to the respondents. In it the justices acknowledge that the issue is moot, but they are ruling for the record.

A moot case is a moot case, and the issue had mostly to do with the authority of the WEC. The whole case revolves around the WEC declaring, for a few days in April, that all citizens of Wisconsin were indefinitely confined because of a gubernatorial executive order.

The WEC corrected itself, the gubernatorial order expired, and everybody went back to the status quo of having each individual voter decide for themselves whether or not they were indefinitely confined. This basically means that every voter in Wisconsin had to check a box saying that they had determined they were confined, and then they got to vote by mail.

This is not a big deal at all. It opens no doors, and it had zero impact on the general election. This is a big nothing burger. It revolves around such a minor detail for the primary election that it does not even change the Trump teams 1-59 win/loss record.
I see what you're saying. Thanks for the reply.
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Old 12-15-2020, 05:07 PM
 
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Got any links or references to back up that assertion? Or did you just make it up from thin air?
From this NY Times article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/u...tion-role.html

"Both chambers would have to agree to reject the votes, something that has not happened since the Reconstruction era.

By ensuring that both chambers must reject a submission, you reduce the risk of Congress going rogue electorally and repudiating the results of a state,” said Edward B. Foley, a constitutional law professor at Ohio State University who studies the electoral process."
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Old 12-15-2020, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Have you ever watched the many hearings being held in the contested states? Have you listened to the evidence? Have you seen the numbers, the impossibilities, the underage, the double votes, the greater than sent out mail in ballot counts, the more votes than voters?

President Trump has not went to any great detail of the corruption but the poll workers and the lawyers have explained and detailed plenty.

You did do something wrong. By choosing to be ignorant of the facts doesn't make you innocent.
It's a fact that you believe it.

But as we all should have learned by the time we were 7 or so, believing doesn't make it so. Even if lots of other people also believe it.

The fact that you choose to believe it doesn't make it correct.
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Old 12-15-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We still didn't do anything wrong, Trump is just feeding you lies constantly and you appear to be falling for them hook, line, and sinker.
Democrats lied and cheated and got away with it.
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Old 12-15-2020, 05:11 PM
 
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Wisconsin Supreme Court rules state erred by giving blanket exemption to voter ID rules during COVID. This opens the door...

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...xemption-voter
That won’t void the votes. Just chastises leadership.
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