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Old 12-30-2020, 10:23 PM
 
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Why would hundreds of thousands die if nobody took the vaccine!? Are you seriously asking that question!!? The thing is NOBODY is forcing you to take the vaccine and not everyone on this planet has a strong immune system! Just because my Mrs is undergoing chemotherapy doesn't mean she should just 'die' because some healthy 20 year old breathes Covid all over her while out shopping! My Mrs has the same rights to life as everyone else!
Understandably your concerns are valid ones especially when it comes to your family...

You can say nobody is forcing you to take the vaccine, but what if regulations tell businesses what is needed to maintain safe areas in their establishment.
We are experiencing a taste of it currently and it seems to be headed towards permanency.

The rhetoric of Covid 19 seems to facilitate this happening... newer deadlier strain.. highly contagious... etc.

So then regulations are introduced that unless you show proof of vaccination with a card, bracelet or what have you, you are not allowed to enter places of business.
Grocery stores, Big box stores, schools, etc.

Because the numbers of high risk individuals (elderly and those with health compromises or both) are much less than those who are at a much lower risk (the majority populace), the way to "control" further spread is to make sure everyone is vaccinated in order to do their daily living needs. Those unable to meet the requirements are inconvenienced and need some kind of help to receive items they may need or want.
The numbers favor the majority, so this is how it needs to be done.

So while no one is forcing you to receive the vaccine, INDIRECTLY life's daily needs demand that you do ...

Last edited by nakadinhi; 12-30-2020 at 10:35 PM..
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Old 12-30-2020, 10:29 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Yeah, that's one hell of a vaccine that takes a 0.14% chance of death and reduces it to 0.014%. I've been doing back flips all day, I'm so impressed. Now if y'all could come up with a vaccine that would reduce the chance of being killed on the freeway by insane drivers, I'd even give a damn.
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Old 12-30-2020, 10:42 PM
 
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Either way whether you let me onto your business/property is completely up to you, that's the point, it's your business/property it's your choice. If airlines don't want to let people on their planes because they've not been vaccinated or just because they have blue eyes it's up to them. Their business, their planes, their property, their choice.
It's the HYPOCRISY of the regulation...

You can eat a meal on an airplane unmasked 2 inches away from another individual...
But can't eat in a social distanced sanitary outdoor/indoor restaurant whose tables are 6 feet separated ?

Give the same choice to the restaurant and those who want to support them.

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Old 12-31-2020, 07:32 AM
 
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Yeah, that's one hell of a vaccine that takes a 0.14% chance of death and reduces it to 0.014%. I've been doing back flips all day, I'm so impressed. Now if y'all could come up with a vaccine that would reduce the chance of being killed on the freeway by insane drivers, I'd even give a damn.
The most important thing is to reduce the chance of catching serious Covid 19 disease and then death in those with high medical risks. Getting sick enough to require ventilator support, and you have a 1 in 3 chances of dying.
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Old 12-31-2020, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Understandably your concerns are valid ones especially when it comes to your family...

You can say nobody is forcing you to take the vaccine, but what if regulations tell businesses what is needed to maintain safe areas in their establishment.
We are experiencing a taste of it currently and it seems to be headed towards permanency.

The rhetoric of Covid 19 seems to facilitate this happening... newer deadlier strain.. highly contagious... etc.

So then regulations are introduced that unless you show proof of vaccination with a card, bracelet or what have you, you are not allowed to enter places of business.
Grocery stores, Big box stores, schools, etc.

Because the numbers of high risk individuals (elderly and those with health compromises or both) are much less than those who are at a much lower risk (the majority populace), the way to "control" further spread is to make sure everyone is vaccinated in order to do their daily living needs. Those unable to meet the requirements are inconvenienced and need some kind of help to receive items they may need or want.
The numbers favor the majority, so this is how it needs to be done.

So while no one is forcing you to receive the vaccine, INDIRECTLY life's daily needs demand that you do ...
No one is going to force you to prove you are vaccinated, we don’t do that for other highly infectious diseases like measles because we’ve reached herd immunity. Once that point happens the current restrictions can be relaxed and anyone not wanting the vaccine won’t have to get it. Latest poll shows like 70% want it now, which is almost enough, and that should go up assuming the remaining safety studies stay positive.
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:07 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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No one is going to force you to prove you are vaccinated, we don’t do that for other highly infectious diseases like measles because we’ve reached herd immunity. Once that point happens the current restrictions can be relaxed and anyone not wanting the vaccine won’t have to get it. Latest poll shows like 70% want it now, which is almost enough, and that should go up assuming the remaining safety studies stay positive.
Well for some reason that might be changing for covid.

Tech companies are racing to create "vaccination passport" apps. And if you don't have a smartphone there will be the "smart card".

Digital records will be uploaded into the app so you have your "proof".
Big Brother welcomes you into 2021.

https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/12/30/...cine-passport/
Smartphone apps like CommonPass are being created to allow users to upload a COVID-19 test result or, eventually, proof of vaccination.
It generates a QR code that can be scanned to get into stadiums, movie theaters and even other countries without revealing sensitive information.
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:17 AM
 
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Reading this thread I am convinced some posters are spreading foreign-generated misinformation and propaganda on purpose.
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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It's the HYPOCRISY of the regulation...

You can eat a meal on an airplane unmasked 2 inches away from another individual...
But can't eat in a social distanced sanitary outdoor/indoor restaurant whose tables are 6 feet separated ?

Give the same choice to the restaurant and those who want to support them.
I heard covid cases from eating out is only 1.4 to 1.7 percent. it makes no sense. people have a right to chose their risk and not have the government treat them like children by putting these restrictions.
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Old 12-31-2020, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I heard covid cases from eating out is only 1.4 to 1.7 percent. it makes no sense. people have a right to chose their risk and not have the government treat them like children by putting these restrictions.
The thing is that you do not choose solely your own risk. Your choice affects the risk of other people.
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Old 12-31-2020, 04:41 PM
 
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The thing is that you do not choose solely your own risk. Your choice affects the risk of other people.
It's called freedom of movement there are risks for a lot of diseases. so at any point in time someone has a contagious disease in order to go by your logic then everyone should stay home and never go out. even if everyone did that this disease would still spread.

people get sick its a fact of life. no matter what you enforce this will still be the case. than the only way around it is to live in personal cells and have robots deliver food for us.
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