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Old 12-24-2020, 08:10 AM
 
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I hope President Trump sends that agreement to the senate ASAP!


https://nypost.com/2020/12/23/cruz-g...is-iran-deals/

 
Old 12-24-2020, 08:17 AM
 
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Believe me, I was pretty upset that Obama is so biased toward Muslims that he paved the way for the Islamic Terrorist Regime of Iran to get nuclear weapons, bypassing Congress by treating it like a "deal" rather than a treaty and racing it up to the anti-Israel U.N., but I don't see how the Senate can right this wrong within the next few weeks.

It is what it is. Obama Chapter III (otherwise known as the Biden Administration) will quickly undo Trump's progress toward peace in the Middle East and make "nice-nice" with the state sponsor of terror, otherwise known as Iran.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Believe me, I was pretty upset that Obama is so biased toward Muslims that he paved the way for the Islamic Terrorist Regime of Iran to get nuclear weapons, bypassing Congress by treating it like a "deal" rather than a treaty and racing it up to the anti-Israel U.N., but I don't see how the Senate can right this wrong within the next few weeks.
I think if the Trump Administration declares the Paris Accord a treaty and the same for the JCPOA, and submits them to the U.S. Senate for ratification that they cannot easily be "undeclared" as treaties. That would prevent the Biden Administration from reentering them without Senate approval.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 06:33 AM
 
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Another stupid idea by people wholly unfamiliar with our Constitution.

Why? Treaties must be approved by the Senate with 2/3rds of the votes.

See: Article II, Section 2.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The Paris Climate accord is a time for the big guys to pat each other on the back and have a party an expensive party. The US is already doing so much to slow climate change whereas other countries like China and India do nothing.



The Paris accord is virtue signaling as is the Iran nuke deal. Trump was criticized night and day for meeting with Kim Jong Un but we knew what he was doing was smart. He opened a dialog and offered respect. Obama and Kerry gave the enemy Iran everything they wanted as the people shouted "death to America" out in the streets.

Trump knew the deal with Iran and knew how to deal with them whereas Obama and now Biden are old school politicians that still think we can buy off our enemies and they will play nice. Kerry is a fool and Biden has brought him back.



Biden will do as he pleases and the media will tell us how brilliant he is.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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The Paris Climate accord is a time for the big guys to pat each other on the back and have a party an expensive party. The US is already doing so much to slow climate change whereas other countries like China and India do nothing.



The Paris accord is virtue signaling as is the Iran nuke deal. Trump was criticized night and day for meeting with Kim Jong Un but we knew what he was doing was smart. He opened a dialog and offered respect. Obama and Kerry gave the enemy Iran everything they wanted as the people shouted "death to America" out in the streets.

Trump knew the deal with Iran and knew how to deal with them whereas Obama and now Biden are old school politicians that still think we can buy off our enemies and they will play nice. Kerry is a fool and Biden has brought him back.



Biden will do as he pleases and the media will tell us how brilliant he is.

Yeah, President Trump 'opened a dialog and offered respect' to the dictator of North Korea. Think about what you are supporting.

As for the Iranian agreement (signed onto by other countries, by the way, including Russia), Mr. Trump could have sought to make a better deal, not just back out of the deal that had been made, and that Iran was respecting. Where is Iran now in their nuclear development? A lot further along than before.

Yes, compared to Mr. Trump, Mr. Biden will indeed seem brilliant.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 07:29 AM
 
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And Trump isn't trying to buy off North Korea? We canceled war games in hope of getting some type of agreement. Instead, they unveiled their new ICBM, continue their miniaturization program of nuclear warheads, and we still haven't resumed war games to ensure our forces and SK's can act in a quick responsive manner.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Another stupid idea by people wholly unfamiliar with our Constitution.

Why? Treaties must be approved by the Senate with 2/3rds of the votes.

See: Article II, Section 2.
And how exactly does this point rebut anything being put forward by Sens Cruz and Graham?

Their point is that by sending the agreements to the Senate as treaties--which will be rejected as they will never win 2/3 majority vote--a future president would have a more difficult time resurrecting the agreements. While I don't know if this argument would ultimately work in the courts should President Trump go this route and parties with standing sued to stop subsequent efforts of enforcement of the agreements (Paris is an easier thing to win for a Biden administration as things are only voluntary), the argument presented in the courts would be that the President is trying to unconstitutionally implement a plan that falls under the treaty clause and which was already rejected by the Senate under this authority.

Under the current legislative reality, the 2015 Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act, Obama presented the Iran deal as a non-treaty agreement that gave Congress a limited period of time to disapprove of any agreement that the Obama administration entered into with Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_N...ew_Act_of_2015

While there are already arguments that this legislation unconstitutionally usurps the Senate's treaty approval authority under the Constitution, Cruz and Graham are not trying to go a different route on this issue.

And Senator Cruz is a constitutional scholar who clerked for the Chief Justice of the United States, among other laudable career achievements. I'm pretty sure he knows a thing or two about the Constitution
 
Old 12-26-2020, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Yeah, President Trump 'opened a dialog and offered respect' to the dictator of North Korea. Think about what you are supporting.

As for the Iranian agreement (signed onto by other countries, by the way, including Russia), Mr. Trump could have sought to make a better deal, not just back out of the deal that had been made, and that Iran was respecting. Where is Iran now in their nuclear development? A lot further along than before.

Yes, compared to Mr. Trump, Mr. Biden will indeed seem brilliant.
So, in other words, President Trump's North Korea policy was no more successful than presidents past (but good for him for trying something different). Meanwhile, his Middle East policies are wildly more successful than presidents past (the Abraham Accords are bringing about wonderful success).

President Trump laid out the foundation for Iran to make a better deal. Iran rejected it.

Israel has already supplied ample evidence of Iran's underhandedness with its nuclear program. Only politicians who continue to be taken for fools believed that Iran was actually up to good.

To close, I find it funny that you write "think of what you are supporting" regarding President Trump's outreach to North Korea, while you're singing the praises of a deal with the dictator of Iran, a country whose weapons have killed or maimed thousands of American servicemen and civilians Think about what you are supporting.
 
Old 12-26-2020, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is the problem with the GOP, climate change doesn't exist and Iran isn't a nuclear threat.

Burying their heads in the sand once again, short on solutions but excellent at tearing up complicated agreements.
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