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we should all expect that number to be like 10X higher. Right?
Wrong. If that's the way YOU interpret the news - fine - but don't paint everyone like that. If you didn't look up the actual numbers 10 months ago - and nearly every day since - that's on you, not the news. But - even knowing the "real" numbers, I haven't seen any contradictions in the news - just in the interpretations of people who see it, depending on your politics, your education, your age, your health, and your general enthusiasm for learning new things.
The OP is right about the age of the deaths - but this is not about death - it's about resources.
10X and it would be like active War most everywhere in the world, where infected people would have to be left at home to die. Acute infectious disease taking out one of every hundred seniors over a year's time frame would be an insurmountable medical task in many if not most areas. Not to mention the frontliners going down or fleeing. Even Trumpers might then agree that the Pandemic is no hoax. Ebola, more lethal and running rampant in the world as a way to avoid shutting economies down and letting nature take its course with herd immunity, might be close to that scenario.
The average life expectancy is misleading here. Do you think all the people who would have died at 65 are actually living an extra 13 years because of the average life expectancy?
What you want to look at is the median life expectancy in America which is 85 years.
The long and short of it is that Covid is cutting off good years for tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Americans. But life is not a precious to Americans as they would have you believe.
In all honesty that is a great point. But don't forget though that statistically speaking most of the people that are dying from Covid-19 below the 78 average age had multiple health issues to begin with. If you are in good health at age 48 you have an above 99.9% chance of living if you catch Covid-19.
Important to remember the 300k plus deaths involve people dying of other causes but have COVID so are counted there too. The CDC even says this on their website.
About one third of the excess deaths may be due to other causes but that still leaves in excess of 200,000 due to COVID-19.
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The msm has blown the covid death rate out of proportion, they want people scared and hospitals are making money each time the cause of death is listed as covid.
Please do not post this anywhere ever again. Hospitals do not get paid anything for deaths.
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It's obvious that 100% of covid deaths represent some time the individual would have otherwise lived.
In most cases it was age and a lack of health that killed them.
Once the body is already weak that's when it's easy for disease to become much worse.
It was still the virus that did the killing.
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The only relevant number we need is total number of US deaths. Always inching upwards. So how many people died (total all causes) in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and how many so far this year? By watching the news coverage of Covid, we should all expect that number to be like 10X higher. Right?
No, about 320,000 higher than the number that would be predicted, which accounts for more deaths due to population growth.
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The Gov't claims they cannot tell us how many people have died from all causes so far this year, because it takes years to get all that info. Nonsense. Coroner prepares the death certificate and it gets summitted to the State that can then report to Feds if they want. At most there would be a couple weeks delay. Info for total number of deaths so far this year should easily be available through end of November. Compare that number to total number of deaths through November of that year and compare. Easy peasy. But no, they cannot do that. More like they all agreed not to do it.
Death certificates may take eight weeks or more to complete, and they are not submitted to the state instantaneously. There is no conspiracy to delay reporting.
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Obesity is a well known health risk for all kinds of diseases. Why should people who take care of themselves and respect their health have to suffer quarantine to protect people who don't take care of themselves? Quarantine the obese and set my people free!
Quarantine the obese and there will be nowhere for you to go. Everything would close down because there would be too few workers to keep everything open.
That's not how statistics work. That's not how any of this works. Average life expectancy at birth is 78. That takes into account all those who die at 20, 40, 60 etc. It's pretty obvious that when you reach 78, you've managed not to die young. In fact, the average life expectancy for a US male at age 78 is 9.43 years.
So if an otherwise healthy 78-year old man succumbs to COVID, that's close to a decade ripped off his life.
A decade that as likely as not, will be filled with senility, Alzheimer's, cancer or something equally as debilitating. The question is, what price are we willing to pay? Covid lockdowns and restrictions have destroyed millions of jobs, hundreds of thousands of businesses and an education for a generation of students. Other diseases are killing people because they aren't being diagnosed and treated. Depression and suicide is way up-especially among the elderly from what I have read.
I feel this is something we do have to keep in mind.
While it is sad that we are now above 320k deaths, in many cases these people's time was just about up anyway.
That was mostly from the first round in the spring, and summer of 2020 which was 54% of the total came from nursing home deaths. Now at the end of 2020 it's fallen to 38% of total deaths as nursing homes learned how to deal with it. The fall is turning out to be younger generations which will bring down the average. It's unknown what life long damage is done to the ones who recover. There has been many stories of younger healthy people who wind up dead from Covid why would anyone take a chance best to avoid getting it and get the vaccine.
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