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Historian Jill Lepore wrote about the history of the police, and included this comparison:
Why did American policing get so big, so fast? The answer, mainly, is slavery.
There are nearly seven hundred thousand police officers in the United States, about two for every thousand people, a rate that is lower than the European average. The difference is guns.
Police in Finland fired six bullets in all of 2013; in an encounter on a single day in the year 2015, in Pasco, Washington, three policemen fired seventeen bullets when they shot and killed an unarmed thirty-five-year-old orchard worker from Mexico. Five years ago, when the Guardian counted police killings, it reported that, “in the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years.”
American police are armed to the teeth, with more than seven billion dollars’ worth of surplus military equipment off-loaded by the Pentagon to eight thousand law-enforcement agencies since 1997. At the same time, they face the most heavily armed civilian population in the world: one in three Americans owns a gun, typically more than one. Gun violence undermines civilian life and debases everyone. A study found that, given the ravages of stress, white male police officers in Buffalo have a life expectancy twenty-two years shorter than that of the average American male. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-of-the-police
Comparing the US to small, highly homogeneous countries isn't particularly useful Diversity (defined in a number of different ways) breeds chaos. Chaos breeds violence. The violence needs to be suppressed. Often the only way to suppress violence is with a superior level of violence.
Comparing the US to small, highly homogeneous countries isn't particularly useful Diversity (defined in a number of different ways) breeds chaos. Chaos breeds violence. The violence needs to be suppressed. Often the only way to suppress violence is with a superior level of violence.
That's a neat way to try to prevent any discussion, since almost no country has our diversity.
That's a neat way to try to prevent any discussion, since almost no country has our diversity.
Ding ding ding. Which is exactly why comparing the United States to countries which could fit into a corner of Texas with room to rattle around is an exercise in futility.
I'm not trying to prevent discussion, but I'm trying to make a point that needs to be discussed. The issue isn't guns. The issue is the number of violent people.
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Originally Posted by Cida
That's a neat way to try to prevent any discussion, since almost no country has our diversity.
I'm an "economist" (meaning, I have a degree and years of real-world finance experience), and I can provide data and statistics that would counter anything she said and be even more valid - since they'd only come from the US.
it just wouldn't get printed in the Limousine Liberal "New Yorker".
You people keep thinking "the cops hunt down innocent Black people", and pretty soon all those feel-good policies you put in place to limit the cops will have the citizens screaming and you with your fingers in your ears. And that is NOT to say "Blacks" are criminals at all, nor is to say that some "reform" isn't needed.
BLM, antifa, and the radical left are pushing things in the wrong direction. Just a bunch me me me know nothing fools and scumbags out to satisfy their own egos.
does Mexico have all of the top 5, and 11 of the top 25 homicide rates because Mexican LEO's use too much force? Not enough force?
What about #8 Cape Town SA? Is it there because it's easy to blame that it's ~ 80% "Black" or is there some real reason?
Why are St Louis & Baltimore in the top 11? Because of the claimed/alleged but disproven police over-reaction?
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