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Old 01-06-2021, 06:47 PM
 
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I realize this seems like just another of those nutty conspiracy theories. But Catherine Austin Fitts is a legitimate financial expert, hardly an Alex Jones. A lot of what she says in this video makes sense to me, and there is nothing about the evil reptilian baby eaters. But it does hit on some of the other Great Reset and Agenda 21 themes, like transhumanism, and population control.

She thinks the pandemic was either intentionally caused, or if not, has been a perfect excuse for "Mr. Global" to have his way with us.

She doesn't claim to know who Mr. Global is, or how many of them there are. But we can suspect people like Bill Gates and his friends, for example. The globalist technocrats, who are creating a brave new world tailored to their needs, not ours.

I'd buy it, most of it, how about you?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoILpvheLWE
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Old 01-06-2021, 08:35 PM
 
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I'm not watching that long video...but there is a tragically large percentage of society who have zero understanding of human nature at all, and they appear impossible to convince to see reality accurately.

WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS AND GLOBAL COOPERATION TO DEAL WITH THE STRUGGLES OF THE FUTURE! THIS IS NOT AN OPTION! WE WILL REQUIRE LOTS AND LOTS OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS. WE WILL REQUIRE LOTS OF TAXATION TO PAY FOR OCEAN WATER DE-SALINIZATION WHEN OUR FRESH WATER DRIES OUT. WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER GOVERNMENT CONTROLS TO DEAL WITH FUTURE PANDEMICS. WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO SHUT DOWN PARTS OF SOCIETY TO DEAL WITH THE CORONAVIRUS, AND THIS MUST BE THE BEGINNING OF OUR FUTURE TRADITIONS FOR DEALING WITH SIMILAR, OR STRONGER, PANDEMICS. WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER GOVERNMENT CONTROLS TO DEAL WITH FUTURE OIL SHORTAGES. WE WILL REQUIRE GLOBAL COOPERATION TO DESTROY FUTURE PANDEMICS BEFORE THEY GET LARGE, AND THERE IS NO OTHER SENSIBLE WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.

China could have had a motive to create the coronavirus...although I don't think there's evidence the Chinese government did that. However, it's been pretty clear that powerful central governments have dealt with this considerably better than the west, in terms of accepting short term powerful government controls to stomp down the virus before it gets large. Their motive would have been to let it spread out to show the flaws of western governments...our slow adaptation to threats...our dislike of being controlled, even during emergencies...That would have been particularly understandable now that Trump had begun the trade war with China. I don't think that happened though, because they would have had to harm their own society.

However, anyone who thinks liberals invented this, or corporations, or any organization but China, or maybe North Korea or some other nation with a powerful central government that's at least moderately opposed to the west is completely irrational. Liberals want to improve society. You can't improve society by causing society harm. Lone business owners wouldn't have had that motive either. There's only so much wealth can get for you. It won't be worth it for even the most corrupt billionaire to wreck the world to the degree the coronavirus has just get a little richer. They can only have so many solid gold toilets before all their toilets are gold.

(I don't know if the video talks about any of that sort of thing or not, but I already know some people will be blaming the coronavirus on liberals).

Bill Gates, especially, gives a lot to charities. Anyone who thinks he's some kind of evil overlord to the degree of creating the coronavirus is totally out of touch with reality.

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Old 01-06-2021, 10:22 PM
 
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She doesn't claim to know who Mr. Global is ...

That says it all. She's got nothin.
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Old 01-06-2021, 10:28 PM
 
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She doesn't claim to know who Mr. Global is ...

That says it all. She's got nothin.
Because she doesn't know who exactly they are? You obviously did not watch the video.
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Old 01-06-2021, 10:29 PM
 
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I'm not watching that long video...but there is a tragically large percentage of society who have zero understanding of human nature at all, and they appear impossible to convince to see reality accurately.

WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS AND GLOBAL COOPERATION TO DEAL WITH THE STRUGGLES OF THE FUTURE! THIS IS NOT AN OPTION! WE WILL REQUIRE LOTS AND LOTS OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS. WE WILL REQUIRE LOTS OF TAXATION TO PAY FOR OCEAN WATER DE-SALINIZATION WHEN OUR FRESH WATER DRIES OUT. WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER GOVERNMENT CONTROLS TO DEAL WITH FUTURE PANDEMICS. WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO SHUT DOWN PARTS OF SOCIETY TO DEAL WITH THE CORONAVIRUS, AND THIS MUST BE THE BEGINNING OF OUR FUTURE TRADITIONS FOR DEALING WITH SIMILAR, OR STRONGER, PANDEMICS. WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER GOVERNMENT CONTROLS TO DEAL WITH FUTURE OIL SHORTAGES. WE WILL REQUIRE GLOBAL COOPERATION TO DESTROY FUTURE PANDEMICS BEFORE THEY GET LARGE, AND THERE IS NO OTHER SENSIBLE WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.

China could have had a motive to create the coronavirus...although I don't think there's evidence the Chinese government did that. However, it's been pretty clear that powerful central governments have dealt with this considerably better than the west, in terms of accepting short term powerful government controls to stomp down the virus before it gets large. Their motive would have been to let it spread out to show the flaws of western governments...our slow adaptation to threats...our dislike of being controlled, even during emergencies...That would have been particularly understandable now that Trump had begun the trade war with China. I don't think that happened though, because they would have had to harm their own society.

However, anyone who thinks liberals invented this, or corporations, or any organization but China, or maybe North Korea or some other nation with a powerful central government that's at least moderately opposed to the west is completely irrational. Liberals want to improve society. You can't improve society by causing society harm. Lone business owners wouldn't have had that motive either. There's only so much wealth can get for you. It won't be worth it for even the most corrupt billionaire to wreck the world to the degree the coronavirus has just get a little richer. They can only have so many solid gold toilets before all their toilets are gold.

(I don't know if the video talks about any of that sort of thing or not, but I already know some people will be blaming the coronavirus on liberals).

Bill Gates, especially, gives a lot to charities. Anyone who thinks he's some kind of evil overlord to the degree of creating the coronavirus is totally out of touch with reality.
People like Bill Gates and many, many others want to lower the standard of living for Americans in order to raise it for 3rd worlders. All while keeping their own.
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Old 01-06-2021, 10:30 PM
 
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I'm not watching that long video...but there is a tragically large percentage of society who have zero understanding of human nature at all, and they appear impossible to convince to see reality accurately.

WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS AND GLOBAL COOPERATION TO DEAL WITH THE STRUGGLES OF THE FUTURE! THIS IS NOT AN OPTION! WE WILL REQUIRE LOTS AND LOTS OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS. WE WILL REQUIRE LOTS OF TAXATION TO PAY FOR OCEAN WATER DE-SALINIZATION WHEN OUR FRESH WATER DRIES OUT. WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER GOVERNMENT CONTROLS TO DEAL WITH FUTURE PANDEMICS. WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO SHUT DOWN PARTS OF SOCIETY TO DEAL WITH THE CORONAVIRUS, AND THIS MUST BE THE BEGINNING OF OUR FUTURE TRADITIONS FOR DEALING WITH SIMILAR, OR STRONGER, PANDEMICS. WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. WE WILL REQUIRE STRONGER GOVERNMENT CONTROLS TO DEAL WITH FUTURE OIL SHORTAGES. WE WILL REQUIRE GLOBAL COOPERATION TO DESTROY FUTURE PANDEMICS BEFORE THEY GET LARGE, AND THERE IS NO OTHER SENSIBLE WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS.

China could have had a motive to create the coronavirus...although I don't think there's evidence the Chinese government did that. However, it's been pretty clear that powerful central governments have dealt with this considerably better than the west, in terms of accepting short term powerful government controls to stomp down the virus before it gets large. Their motive would have been to let it spread out to show the flaws of western governments...our slow adaptation to threats...our dislike of being controlled, even during emergencies...That would have been particularly understandable now that Trump had begun the trade war with China. I don't think that happened though, because they would have had to harm their own society.

However, anyone who thinks liberals invented this, or corporations, or any organization but China, or maybe North Korea or some other nation with a powerful central government that's at least moderately opposed to the west is completely irrational. Liberals want to improve society. You can't improve society by causing society harm. Lone business owners wouldn't have had that motive either. There's only so much wealth can get for you. It won't be worth it for even the most corrupt billionaire to wreck the world to the degree the coronavirus has just get a little richer. They can only have so many solid gold toilets before all their toilets are gold.

(I don't know if the video talks about any of that sort of thing or not, but I already know some people will be blaming the coronavirus on liberals).

Bill Gates, especially, gives a lot to charities. Anyone who thinks he's some kind of evil overlord to the degree of creating the coronavirus is totally out of touch with reality.

All that after not watching the video.

So, what is the moral of your long post? The USA should be more like China? Freedom is an over-rated relic of days gone by?
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Old 01-07-2021, 07:14 AM
 
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People like Bill Gates and many, many others want to lower the standard of living for Americans in order to raise it for 3rd worlders. All while keeping their own.
Which means they're just human. They're greedy...but it makes little difference if their ideas are sound, and their goals are sound.

The only reason you and I have to be more concerned about the first world than the rest of the planet is because the first world is better at developing the technologies to assist the rest of the planet...and so far as I've seen, Bill Gates tends to be interested in the sorts of technological innovations that will lead to long term gains for the planet, or supplying basic needs that will lead to massive reductions in suffering.

I'm going to inevitably care more about myself and those close to me more than everybody else. That's okay. We couldn't stop that even if we tried. That's just part of being human. However, I have no rational motivation to be more concerned about the lives of my fellow Americans more than any other semi-rational citizen of any other nation. I am one of billions of people, and therefore what effects me is inconsequential compared to what affects the planet. Therefore, a rational person will always vote in terms of what affects the planet in the most positive manner.

There can still be rational nationalists...but only if they're nationalists because they believe we don't understand other cultures enough to help them much, and we'd be better off spending our resources helping our own nations because we understand our culture and can get more out of it.

There is a form of nationalism rooted in pure delusion though - rooted strictly in people not understanding reality or their own minds. This form of nationalism convinces people that other Americans should somehow matter to me more than citizens of any other nations merely because they're members of my country. This mentality is rooted in very ancient, very misleading instinctive desire to be part of a tribe, and to ignore the needs of other tribes, so far as I can tell.
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Old 01-07-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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All that after not watching the video.

So, what is the moral of your long post? The USA should be more like China? Freedom is an over-rated relic of days gone by?
Yes, the U.S. should definitely be more like China...not all the way to being like China, but we should definitely be more like China. There's a healthy middle ground between China's authoritarianism and America's attitude of, "No government control whatsoever! No preparation for the future! No stronger government control, even during emergencies!"

Actually...the middle ground I seek is more likely to be between the U.S. and the freer-than-China, but more authoritarian than the U.S. South Korea. We don't need to go as far as a middle ground between the U.S. and China.
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Old 01-07-2021, 09:06 AM
 
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So, I did just watch the full video actually.

She talks like a schizophrenic person. She's totally ignoring more plausible explanations in favor of latching onto possibilities that she finds interesting.

This is a common problem normal people have who aren't particularly self-aware. They lack awareness of their own biases. Her understanding of transhumanism is totally off. She had a major lack of understanding of human nature. People constantly have a drive to search for intelligence where intelligence doesn't exist. We personify everything. We seek out plans, where, in reality, mere random chance was more likely to have been the cause. This is probably because, back during the cave-man days, when a bush rustles, if you assume there's something alive in those bushes, you may have just saved your life from a tiger ambush, and if you're wrong, you'll lose little. However, if you assume the more likely situation of that bush merely rustling due to the wind, if you're right you'll only gain a little more relaxation, but if you're wrong you may lose your life. Therefore, we're probably evolved to seek out intelligence and plans regardless of how likely planning is to be the source of some event, rather than blind chance.

Human beings simply don't have the cooperative abilities to engage in most of these Machiavellian cabals people dream about.

She's talking about western governments inventing a disease that could have all sorts of un-anticipated consequences and cost trillions...with the un-anticipated consequences being the more important issue. Those possible consequences (such as the coronavirus evolving and being with us for eternity) are the reason why no sane government (including China) is likely to invent the virus.

I did say China had a motivation to invent the coronavirus, but I think that's extremely unlikely though. Nobody else has the motivation, and North Korea likely lacks the technology, and they probably wouldn't have wanted to risk ticking off their Chinese neighbors.

The ability of viruses to mutate means that not many sane people will strive to invent them...and that's so obvious that anyone who doesn't understand that has some MAJOR problem with their reasoning ability.

She talks about big business owners having a motivation to create it...but again...that's just her latching onto any cool-sounding possibilities she can think of without considering the costs rational people would keep in mind that would likely prevent them from acting on those schemes she imagines them engaging in. Rich people tend to be pretty smart. They also tend to have more money than they can use. They don't need more money. The coronavirus decreases their security in ways money can't protect them from.

No...if someone invented the coronavirus with the intent to spread it, the only explanation for that CANNOT BE ROOTED IN GREED. It has to be some kind of anti-western, pro-authoritarian motivation, and it can't stem from western capitalist or socialist governments, because those governments are harmed by this more than they could ever be helped by it.

The coronavirus can't have been created by globalists either, or environmentalists, because it doesn't reduce human population. It might encourage people to accept a stronger central government...but so would a regular pandemic, and new diseases are popping up all the time. It would make more sense to just wait for one of those. We need money for pretty much every globalist, environmentalist strategy and Covid costs people a lot of money too.

If someone created covid19, so far as I can imagine, it's got to be either Chinese or North Korean, anti-western nationalists. Nobody else has any motivation, and North Korea probably wouldn't have wanted to infuriate the Chinese, so they wouldn't have invented it, and the Chinese government would be too concerned about it mutating, so they wouldn't have invented it...probably.
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Her understanding of transhumanism is very, very, out of touch in general.

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She talks about "big pharma" wanting to alter people's DNA. Big pharma does not want to alter anyone's DNA. If they did, I'd like them more because that might lead to long term solutions to problems. Big pharma doesn't particularly care about long term solutions to problems. They want to sell treatments, not cures. Big pharma will therefore probably not be part of any globalist conspiracies, or any other attempts to achieve some kind of Machiavellian "greater good," or any other long term Machiavellian schemes.
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I AM BEGGING MY FELLOW AMERICANS TO STOP BUYING INTO THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY NONSENSE. I'M NOT SURE OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THIS KIND OF PROBLEM, BUT IT'S DESTROYING US FROM WITHIN! RESEARCHING INTO POSSIBILITIES IS WONDERFUL. ONLY SEARCHING FOR SIGNS THAT THE POSSIBILITY IS TRUE, WHILE IGNORING SIGNS OF ITS FALSEHOOD IS NOT THOUGH...AND THAT'S WHAT'S RESULTING IN THIS SORT OF THING.
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I do agree with her about there being attempts to mind control people. What I disagree with her about, is that IT'S HER SIDE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ATTEMPTS TO MIND CONTROL! The conspiracy theorists are everywhere. They have a strong financial motivation to mislead society for attention by telling interesting and creative lies that people will click on for entertainment. I assume she's doing this all for attention on some subconscious level too. I don't think these are lies, in her case. I think she believes what she's saying, but I'd guess she's a little biased by a craving for attention, like many people are.



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On a side note, I suppose she says a few things that may not be entirely incorrect, in the same sense that even a broken clock is correct twice per day. There are MASSIVE amounts of easily seen flaws in her reasoning process though.
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Old 01-07-2021, 09:45 AM
 
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If there's not even a Kraken in this conspiracy theory, how can I take it seriously?


All the best looney tunes use Krakens.,
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