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The callous police officer who had plenty of other options at that point aimed and fired his pistol killing her. DUH. Suddenly it's now totally acceptable for an officer to just shoot dead an unarmed woman who hasn't exactly lifted a finger against him?
That officer protected our leaders! He deserves the presidential medal of freedom and, hopefully, Biden will award him one. He should also get a promotion.
Unless these videos are truncated, I don't see how he could have seen the TAC unit who would have been still down in the well around a corner.
The first time the riot police appear at the top of the stairwell is at around 13 seconds into the video. Ashli wasn't shot until 41 seconds(28 seconds later). As the first riot officer reaches the top of the stairs he looks to the left, then takes a step backward. He and another riot officer begin talking to the 3-4 police officers on the right side. Not sure what happens but the three cops begin to move down the stairwell, the one guy who must have been plain-clothes security continues to talk to the riot police.
There doesn't seem to be any kind of general panic among the crowd which you might expect if they heard that someone had a gun. And the riot police didn't move either, nor could you hear anything about a gun in that video, or pretty much any other video except the one from Sullivan.
As for the cops. One of the cops did duck his head at about 25 seconds into the video. But that would have been 16 seconds before Ashli was shot, which would have been 5 seconds before Sullivan mentioned the gun(which was 11 seconds before she was shot).
More likely the cops moved back because there was a bang as the protesters were trying to push their way through the barricade.
Based on this evidence, the more reasonable explanation is that only Sullivan and those closer to the left side saw the gun or heard Sullivan's warning about the gun. The regular police left before Sullivan mentioned anything about the gun. Which is why they didn't tell the riot officers, who would have moved up to secure the area if they heard someone screaming about a gun.
If Ashli didn't hear anything about a gun(she was standing to the right of a tall man), and merely saw the police move away from the barricade(which is what the protesters asked them to do). Then she might have believed that the police were merely standing down to let them pass through.
So she jumps up into the window and immediately gets shot by someone who she most likely didn't even know was there.
It seems to me that many of the posters on here condemning the woman's death, defended the killing of Arbery.
He was unarmed. His only crime if that was a minor trespass and his murderers weren't even the property owners. Those who supported the murders said. "Hey he shouldn't have ran. He should have submitted. As if his killers had any authority.
These same advocates of police related shootings will say about the black man shot: "All he had to do was comply." "If he wasn't breaking the law he would have been fine."
These same advocates of the woman, bemoan the Racist BLM and Antifa thug protestors for breaking into buildings. Burning police stations. etc.
These same folks yell Blue lives matter. Yes right up until it is Trump supporters killing the cops. Then it's how do you know it was a trump supporter? LOL
Hypocrisy abounds.
Me? Oh I condemned the Arbery killing, I condemned the racist BLM scum and the Antifa thugs. Never a word of defense or praise from me. I condemned the dems for minimizing what was happening.
Now I condemn Trum and his stooges that defaced and desecrated our Capitol. Why is it so hard for Trump supporters to admit that those idiots were thugs?
It seems to me that many of the posters on here condemning the woman's death, defended the killing of Arbery.
In the Arbery case. Arbery had gone into a house under construction multiple times(trespassing). When they saw him coming out of the house they called the police and attempted to stop him to make a citizen's arrest, but Arbery ran off. They got in their trucks and drove around looking for him. They found him, pulled their truck in front of him, then yelled at Arbery to stop because they wanted to ask him some questions. He ran directly at their vehicle, went around the passenger side, then darted directly at the driver, punching him and trying to take his gun. As they fought for the gun, Arbery was shot in the chest and died.
The real issue in the Arbery case was, did they have a right to detain Arbery until the police arrived if they had a reasonable suspicion that he had committed a crime? Was there a reasonable suspicion he had committed a crime? And further, when the driver shot Arbery, was it because he feared for his life?
If Ashli had begun punching the officer who shot her and trying to take his gun away, that would have been a clear case of self-defense.
In the Arbery case, the only real way to solve the problem would be to change the citizen's arrest statutes. If they weren't legally allowed to pursue Arbery, he would still be alive.
In general terms, once the Swat team arrived the whole issue at the barricade should have been over. The small (15-20 including filming folks...about 7 or 8 active guys) and unarmed mob was perfectly flanked in the small space. SWAT was at their backs. Armed cops were at their fronts. End of story.
Certainly the body language of the Swat team and security staffer suggest they knew it.
One problem as folks are starting to see is that the unarmed Ashli was killed AFTER the SWAT team arrived at the rear of the small mob.
(As an aside and it may not fit the narrative, but the great majority of the intruders strolled the halls, engaged in petty theft, and posed for selfies....once they were inside the building. So we are not talking a mob of hundreds at Ashli’s location.)
The first time the riot police appear at the top of the stairwell is at around 13 seconds into the video. Ashli wasn't shot until 41 seconds(28 seconds later). As the first riot officer reaches the top of the stairs he looks to the left, then takes a step backward. He and another riot officer begin talking to the 3-4 police officers on the right side. Not sure what happens but the three cops begin to move down the stairwell, the one guy who must have been plain-clothes security continues to talk to the riot police.
There doesn't seem to be any kind of general panic among the crowd which you might expect if they heard that someone had a gun. And the riot police didn't move either, nor could you hear anything about a gun in that video, or pretty much any other video except the one from Sullivan.
As for the cops. One of the cops did duck his head at about 25 seconds into the video. But that would have been 16 seconds before Ashli was shot, which would have been 5 seconds before Sullivan mentioned the gun(which was 11 seconds before she was shot).
More likely the cops moved back because there was a bang as the protesters were trying to push their way through the barricade.
Based on this evidence, the more reasonable explanation is that only Sullivan and those closer to the left side saw the gun or heard Sullivan's warning about the gun. The regular police left before Sullivan mentioned anything about the gun. Which is why they didn't tell the riot officers, who would have moved up to secure the area if they heard someone screaming about a gun.
If Ashli didn't hear anything about a gun(she was standing to the right of a tall man), and merely saw the police move away from the barricade(which is what the protesters asked them to do). Then she might have believed that the police were merely standing down to let them pass through.
So she jumps up into the window and immediately gets shot by someone who she most likely didn't even know was there.
I agree with you. Ashli probably didn't even know the shooting officer was aiming his gun at the door and probably had no idea she was liable to being shot. And it did appear the police present were allowing the rioters to proceed. It doesn't seem like anyone including the officers near her expected the shooting at all, at first thinking it was a percussion grenade. This cop committed more like a sniper kill or ambush killing than a typical police action.
It seems to me that many of the posters on here condemning the woman's death, defended the killing of Arbery.
The two things are not analogous at all. It's ridiculous and down right delusional gaslighting to try to make two completely different incidents comparable. Arbery was a fit, aggressive young male who charged and was punching and trying to disarm the person when shot. If someone is punching you in the head and trying to take your gun away it's just a necessity of self defense to have to shoot them.
Ashli is just an unarmed woman climbing up on a door window surrounded by police behind her. The officer was in no serious and imminent threat of injury or death, and could've easily pushed her back rather than shooting her dead from a distant ambush position. The Arbery shooter was in the process of being battered and was at imminent risk of being seriously injured or disarmed and killed by Arbery.
So the woman who was trespassing, breaking and entering onto federal property, and was out to harm the congresspeople is the one I am supposed to be sorry for? She Got what she deserved 100 percent. The secret service person should get a medal for doing his job and protecting the congressmen/congresswomen. Sad some people are trying to make Ashli Babbitt into the victim.
So the woman who was trespassing, breaking and entering onto federal property, and was out to harm the congresspeople is the one I am supposed to be sorry for? She Got what she deserved 100 percent. The secret service person should get a medal for doing his job and protecting the congressmen/congresswomen. Sad some people are trying to make Ashli Babbitt into the victim.
I'm sure you are consistent and think all the BLM and antifa rioters should've been subject to being ambush shot from behind windows . You have zero evidence that Ashli assaulted or intended to assault and harm anyone. She was just trespassing on public property.
If you agree with the police shooting an unarmed woman over a broken window in the Capitol building, then the next time BLM & leftists protest...if they break a window, then we or the police have the right to shoot them in the face? Is that what you're saying?
Are you saying "we or the police" don't?
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. You have zero evidence that Ashli assaulted or intended to assault and harm anyone. She was just trespassing on public property.