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I have an honest question about disgraced former President Trump's second impeachment trial. As we all know, this is the first time a President challenged election results to the point of a terrorist plot to change the election results. This is the first time a former president is being impeached to prevent them from running again. Precedent will be set by this case whether you talk having the reason to impeach, an impeachment to disqualify a presidential candidate, or the result.
So I ask, conservatives, Republicans and Trump supporters, would you support a Democrat doing the same thing as Trump has done?
The OP is a fail right out the gate, it asserts something that isn't true.
So what do you make of McConnell's move to delay the trial until after Trump was gone? They could have had the trial the last week if Trump's presidency. Do you see it as a political move to give Republican's an off ramp to not vote for conviction? They don't have to go on record one way or another if they did or didn't support what Trump did. A vote to convict is followed by a vote to make it that Trump can never run again. Which is what the vast number of we the people want. Do we allow sleazy slippery moves to exonerate any crooked president? I say no. Next time it might be the other side that pulls a Trump move and you will want justice vs some tribal look the other way response. If any Democratic president did what Trump did. I would want his head on a platter as well. We can not normalize this.
There probably is at least some political slime here to let senators “save face†for their votes.
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Originally Posted by Cruithne
So when someone commits a crime and is fired from their job you should just let bygones be bygones?
He incited insurrection on the Capitol.
A mob who wanted Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi amongst others dead.
Have people lost leave of their senses?
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Originally Posted by Camper6
Somebody has to be responsible for the invasion of the Capitol.
Who?
Nixon resigned and took responsibility for Watergate to avoid impeachment.
So just because Trump ends his term, does he escape all responsibility?
All three of these posts lead me to one point: who really should get blamed? I think it’s an easy, slam-dunk assertion that not enough was done to secure sensitive DC facilities in advance, and that Trump most definitely did not do enough to de-escalate the fever pitch in the city.
However there’s gray area beyond that. I can’t really say with confidence that he incited the storming of the Capitol, nor that he didn’t. Whether he was just being sloppy with his words. As has been a demonstrated, repeated habit of his, or whether he really did mean to incite this sharp of an action, I wouldn’t say he should get off scot free, but intentions matter and I think the finer points of that will be lost when political tensions are so high. To me that will be the difference between whether the senate should convict, or whether some type of other punitive measures should be undertaken.
It should also be noted that no, I don’t particularly care whether I actually like the person in question or not, nor is this a question which should have anything to do with party. Storming the Capitol was a grave affair, and the charges pending - and the precedent it could set - are also grave and potentially far-reaching.
What I am saying is that in the heat of political battle, I don’t think this will be settled in a trustworthy, thorough, and levelheaded way no matter which direction the final outcome leans.
IMHO the election was stolen, fair and square.
What else can you expect of a democracy, where it is legal for a majority to persecute a minority.
How else did slavery exist despite it being banned in the republican form of government (sovereigns without subjects!).
Anyone so naive to believe that bought elections are not happening should not watch Hollywood's skewering of that sacred cow ["The Great McGinty."] (or ignore the infamous "machines" that ran big cities).
Is it an impeachable offense ("high crimes and misdemeanors") to warn of the scam going on?
When treason prospers, none dare call it treason.
To avoid getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, the democrats rushed to IMPEACH the innocent.
That makes perfect sense.
IMHO the election was stolen, fair and square.
What else can you expect of a democracy, where it is legal for a majority to persecute a minority.
How else did slavery exist despite it being banned in the republican form of government (sovereigns without subjects!).
Anyone so naive to believe that bought elections are not happening should not watch Hollywood's skewering of that sacred cow ["The Great McGinty."] (or ignore the infamous "machines" that ran big cities).
Is it an impeachable offense ("high crimes and misdemeanors") to warn of the scam going on?
When treason prospers, none dare call it treason.
To avoid getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, the democrats rushed to IMPEACH the innocent.
That makes perfect sense.
If the election was stolen where is the proof of such steal? Sounds more like someone is crying that democracy didn't work the way they wanted it to.
And I'm not sure any of those events would have happened if:
1) Democrats hadn't encouraged riots in the cities all summer;
2) The Democrats and media had not so aggressively tried to silence news of the many irregularities in this election; or
3) The Democrats hadn't been demonizing and attacking Trump supporters for the last 4 years.
Take any of those 3 out and the anger isn't nearly as strong.
Well said. Months of riots, of attacks on ordinary citizens by leftists, excused and supported by Democrat mayors, governors, and a vice-presidential candidate who promoted a fund to bail out those engaged in rioting.
These people have some nerve feigning righteousness.
And I'm not sure any of those events would have happened if:
1) Democrats hadn't encouraged riots in the cities all summer;
2) The Democrats and media had not so aggressively tried to silence news of the many irregularities in this election; or
3) The Democrats hadn't been demonizing and attacking Trump supporters for the last 4 years.
Take any of those 3 out and the anger isn't nearly as strong.
I disagree.
1) What you forget with blaming Democrats is what came before. Operation Gridlock was around a month and a half before George Floyd protests and riots. Mind you, the Michigan Operation Gridlock led by the Wolverine Watchmen, were already debating capturing and putting Gov. Whitmer up for a kangaroo court trial.
2) But are these sources legitimate? InfoWars is nearly satirical level of legitimacy. The Blaze and Breitbart are questionable. Fox News can be OK unless you talk Tucker, Ingraham, Geraldo...
3) Tea Partiers have equally done that since the Obama days.
I have an honest question about disgraced former President Trump's second impeachment trial. As we all know, this is the first time a President challenged election results to the point of a terrorist plot to change the election results. This is the first time a former president is being impeached to prevent them from running again. Precedent will be set by this case whether you talk having the reason to impeach, an impeachment to disqualify a presidential candidate, or the result.
So I ask, conservatives, Republicans and Trump supporters, would you support a Democrat doing the same thing as Trump has done?
The entire narrative behind your assertions is a lie.
Watch his speech, or at least read the transcript. He didn't do what the articles of impeachment alleged. The impeachment was a sham.
Do you not see what's happening? The entire conservative ideology is being demonized. It's not going to be long until anyone challenging the approved orthodoxy will be silenced. The hard way, if necessary. Eventually, that dissident will be you, because there's always going to be a bogeyman, but they can wipe out all the conservatives.
First two lines are false.
Third line applies to you and the rest with TDS.
The TDS is coming from you pal.
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