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Old 02-05-2021, 05:57 AM
 
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Because of science, we are told to wash our hands with antibacterial soap and frequently use antibacterial hand sanitizer to combat - a virus. Sure antibacterial does nothing to kill virus, but use it anyway, it is good science to do so. Ignore those people who say that ordinary soap is just as good, they are not "scientists."

We are told to wipe/sanitize all surfaces after touching them. Then the “scientists” discover the virus does not live on hard surfaces and such surfaces are not a substantial transfer risk. Still we are told to continue to daily wipe down all doorknobs, counters and other hard surfaces with antibacterial cleaners that will not kill the virus that does not live on the hard surfaces. These cleaners tend to destroy the finish on many of the hard surfaces, but that is ok because the antibacterial cleaners do a good job of not killing the virus that does not live on the hard surfaces. Just do it, it is science. Oh and forget the softer surfaces where the virus actually lives for a while. We do not have a solution for that so we need you to look the other way. It is science after all.

We are told not to wear masks because it will cause the disease to spread because it makes us touch our faces more, which is a major cause of the spread according to science. Then we must all wear masks to stop the spread of the disease. Forget about the touching your face thing, we never said it. Look the other direction – it is science after all. Then we are told that masks only help keep us from spreading the disease, they do nothing to keep us from getting it. Therefore it is important for each of us to compel others to wear masks. Then a study finds most masks do not help prevent aeration of the virus and some make it worse, but we are told to continue wearing those types of masks anyway. – because “science.” Besides, no one is really sure whether the virus spreads through breathing or other aerosol means. It probably does because science thinks it might, the new science, not the old science that said it spreads though contact with hard surfaces, but still keep wiping down hard surfaces anyway – because science wants you to. Then we are told that masks do in fact keep you from getting the virus, at least a little bit. science says so. Then we see that wearing masks does not seem to make any difference in the spread of the disease but we are told to keep wearing them, in fact maybe wear two of them. "Science" now thinks that where one mask has failed, two (or maybe three) will succeed. Still, for now, keep wearing those gator masks that we know make things worse. Science wants you to.

We close our bars and restaurants and other service businesses at massive economic and value of life cost and discover it does not seem to have a substantial impact on the spread of the disease. Then we are told science has discovered that most of the transmissions seem to be taking place in people’s homes, but we still need to keep the bars restaurants and other service businesses closed – just because. Or maybe because you cannot close homes, so you close something, just so you can say you are doing something. But they have to stay closed because of science.

We establish random rules based on “science” which had no basis in logic. Buying paint in a large store spreads the virus but buying it in a slightly smaller store does not. The virus only comes out significantly after 10 p.m., so bars and restaurants must close by then. Bars that get 29% of the revenue from food and 71% from alcohol sales are hotbeds to Covid and must be closed. But bars that get 30% of their revenue from food and only 70% from alcohol are safe places to be. Fishing in a sail boat, canoe, kayak, rowboat or inner tube are all safe activities, but a motor boat will give you covid. Fishing standing up is safe, but if you sit down while fishing, you will get covid. Liquor stores are essential and safe enough to keep open, but churches are not. 2000 people can safely go to a church to vote in an election without wearing masks or social distancing, but 250 people wearing masks and staying 6 feet apart who go to the same church to worship will get or spread covid and must be stopped at all costs. Jail them if necessary. A thanksgiving get together of two families of ten people each is safe, but three families with two people each is a covid disaster and must be banned. It is perfectly safe to gather in large packed crowds without masks to protest police activity or popular political issues, but you cannot have an outdoor concert or church service with 100 people all wearing masks and staying distant. Too dangerous, science says you must arrest them all.

Social distancing is the answer to controlling covid and people must remain locked up in their homes despite skyrocketing mental illness, suicide, drug addictions and overdoses, divorce rates, etc. All of those must be tolerated in the name of science. However we must let prisoners out into society with no rules (and no home to go to) in order to prevent the spread of covid among inmates locked in a cell. This all makes sense because of Science.

Science tells us the first rule of statistical analysis is “correlation does not show causation” Except in 2020 and 2021, the rule is different. Correlation is scientific proof without any consideration of other impacting factors when it tends to support what science wants to say. In fact, in those conditions, correlation is absolute irrefutable scientific proof and you are an idiot who should be mocked into silence if you question this.

What on earth is wrong with these people who say “science” has no credibility? What idiots! It is science for crying out loud, it cannot be wrong and it does not need to make sense, Everyone knows that anything labeled "science is an absolute truth that cannot be questioned. You are just too stupid to understand it because you did not spend four or six or eight years partying at a university before going to work for the government in an administrative role, so you could not possibly know anything about science. Oh and those scientists over there who disagree with us? Ignore them we will label them wackos or politically motivated, or some other title so we can dismiss their version of “science” There is only one version of science and that is the version that fits the PC agenda.

When I tell my friend, a PhD scientist, virologist and toxicologist who works for the government that I no longer have any respect for "science" He no longer fights with me - he just says "Neither do I"
" What is wrong with people who refuse to believe science?"

Not ALL scientist agree on most things. Just as lawyers. As they say, a group of 12 lawyers can't agree on what to order for lunch.

What is wrong with people who believe every scientist?
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:12 AM
 
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Because of science, we are told to wash our hands with antibacterial soap and frequently use antibacterial hand sanitizer to combat - a virus. Sure antibacterial does nothing to kill virus, but use it anyway, it is good science to do so. Ignore those people who say that ordinary soap is just as good, they are not "scientists."

We are told to wipe/sanitize all surfaces after touching them. Then the “scientists” discover the virus does not live on hard surfaces and such surfaces are not a substantial transfer risk. Still we are told to continue to daily wipe down all doorknobs, counters and other hard surfaces with antibacterial cleaners that will not kill the virus that does not live on the hard surfaces. These cleaners tend to destroy the finish on many of the hard surfaces, but that is ok because the antibacterial cleaners do a good job of not killing the virus that does not live on the hard surfaces. Just do it, it is science. Oh and forget the softer surfaces where the virus actually lives for a while. We do not have a solution for that so we need you to look the other way. It is science after all.

We are told not to wear masks because it will cause the disease to spread because it makes us touch our faces more, which is a major cause of the spread according to science. Then we must all wear masks to stop the spread of the disease. Forget about the touching your face thing, we never said it. Look the other direction – it is science after all. Then we are told that masks only help keep us from spreading the disease, they do nothing to keep us from getting it. Therefore it is important for each of us to compel others to wear masks. Then a study finds most masks do not help prevent aeration of the virus and some make it worse, but we are told to continue wearing those types of masks anyway. – because “science.” Besides, no one is really sure whether the virus spreads through breathing or other aerosol means. It probably does because science thinks it might, the new science, not the old science that said it spreads though contact with hard surfaces, but still keep wiping down hard surfaces anyway – because science wants you to. Then we are told that masks do in fact keep you from getting the virus, at least a little bit. science says so. Then we see that wearing masks does not seem to make any difference in the spread of the disease but we are told to keep wearing them, in fact maybe wear two of them. "Science" now thinks that where one mask has failed, two (or maybe three) will succeed. Still, for now, keep wearing those gator masks that we know make things worse. Science wants you to.

We close our bars and restaurants and other service businesses at massive economic and value of life cost and discover it does not seem to have a substantial impact on the spread of the disease. Then we are told science has discovered that most of the transmissions seem to be taking place in people’s homes, but we still need to keep the bars restaurants and other service businesses closed – just because. Or maybe because you cannot close homes, so you close something, just so you can say you are doing something. But they have to stay closed because of science.

We establish random rules based on “science” which had no basis in logic. Buying paint in a large store spreads the virus but buying it in a slightly smaller store does not. The virus only comes out significantly after 10 p.m., so bars and restaurants must close by then. Bars that get 29% of the revenue from food and 71% from alcohol sales are hotbeds to Covid and must be closed. But bars that get 30% of their revenue from food and only 70% from alcohol are safe places to be. Fishing in a sail boat, canoe, kayak, rowboat or inner tube are all safe activities, but a motor boat will give you covid. Fishing standing up is safe, but if you sit down while fishing, you will get covid. Liquor stores are essential and safe enough to keep open, but churches are not. 2000 people can safely go to a church to vote in an election without wearing masks or social distancing, but 250 people wearing masks and staying 6 feet apart who go to the same church to worship will get or spread covid and must be stopped at all costs. Jail them if necessary. A thanksgiving get together of two families of ten people each is safe, but three families with two people each is a covid disaster and must be banned. It is perfectly safe to gather in large packed crowds without masks to protest police activity or popular political issues, but you cannot have an outdoor concert or church service with 100 people all wearing masks and staying distant. Too dangerous, science says you must arrest them all.

Social distancing is the answer to controlling covid and people must remain locked up in their homes despite skyrocketing mental illness, suicide, drug addictions and overdoses, divorce rates, etc. All of those must be tolerated in the name of science. However we must let prisoners out into society with no rules (and no home to go to) in order to prevent the spread of covid among inmates locked in a cell. This all makes sense because of Science.

Science tells us the first rule of statistical analysis is “correlation does not show causation” Except in 2020 and 2021, the rule is different. Correlation is scientific proof without any consideration of other impacting factors when it tends to support what science wants to say. In fact, in those conditions, correlation is absolute irrefutable scientific proof and you are an idiot who should be mocked into silence if you question this.

What on earth is wrong with these people who say “science” has no credibility? What idiots! It is science for crying out loud, it cannot be wrong and it does not need to make sense, Everyone knows that anything labeled "science is an absolute truth that cannot be questioned. You are just too stupid to understand it because you did not spend four or six or eight years partying at a university before going to work for the government in an administrative role, so you could not possibly know anything about science. Oh and those scientists over there who disagree with us? Ignore them we will label them wackos or politically motivated, or some other title so we can dismiss their version of “science” There is only one version of science and that is the version that fits the PC agenda.

When I tell my friend, a PhD scientist, virologist and toxicologist who works for the government that I no longer have any respect for "science" He no longer fights with me - he just says "Neither do I"



What a great post. Funny how "science" miraculously made COVID less of a threat right around the time the election results came in. And that we learn that many of the tests gave false-positive results.



It's the same way with climate change. The unadulterated science - using historical data - shows the earth is cooling not warming. But that doesn't fit the agenda -- so it's warming.



And independent data scientists say that is 99.9% impossible that Biden won the election using actual vote timing statistics and standard data modeling techniques. But that doesn't fit - so they are wrong.



We see where this is heading - some of us - instead of buying into the controlled narrative.
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:20 AM
 
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We see where this is heading - some of us - instead of buying into the controlled narrative.
If you know anything about "science" you know how many times it has been misused to control people. I mean it used to be "science" that the world is flat.

It used to be "science" that women were hysterical and thus couldn't be trusted.

Real science is often discovered after years and years of human manipulation simply can no longer hide the truth.
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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"Science" is a process. A search for truth in the natural world, with a defined set of steps to achieve that goal.

When someone says they "believe in science," they're effectively telling you that they don't know what "science" is. What they really mean is they "believe scientists." Not just any scientists, though. Only the ones which are propped up and declared by the media to be authoritative.

Sciencism is a new, non-theistic religion. People follow a set of beliefs about scientific topics; they don't evaluate information for themselves or go through the process. "Climate change" is a prime example. People are thoroughly convinced of something they know absolutely nothing about, and which is so complex that nobody - NOBODY - has even come close to successfully modeling the climate even a few years in advance, much less a century, yet "the science is settled." Except that it's not, but people have their beliefs, and they'll defend them to the death. Just like a God.

Scientists can be bought, just like a politician can be bought. If anyone wants to challenge that, be prepared to publicly declare your support for every study put out by the "green" industry, as well as every study put out by the oil industry, and you'll be expected to explain the differences in their conclusions.
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Excellent thread and op!!!!
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:36 AM
 
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The Gaslighting of the the American Mind:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...nd_145174.html

The truth will set you free.
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Old 02-05-2021, 07:25 AM
 
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If you know anything about "science" you know how many times it has been misused to control people. I mean it used to be "science" that the world is flat.

It used to be "science" that women were hysterical and thus couldn't be trusted.

Real science is often discovered after years and years of human manipulation simply can no longer hide the truth.
By the same token, many people reject whatever science that doesn't fit their personal agendas under the guise of science not having a perfect track record.

I'm sure people that made lead paint and such products facing the loss of their businesses could point to your examples and thus claim that the science around the effects of lead are "unproven".

Often people rejecting one science using examples of how science has been wrong....is merely pushing another, even less proven science but not applying that same filter of "once wrong, always wrong" equally.
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Old 02-05-2021, 07:25 AM
 
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Trump spread so many lies and fallacies that the uneducated and gullible began to live in twilight zone alternate reality where fact, truth and science have no place. In a short 4 years, this alternate non-scientific reality became so common as to be accepted to the point that now it is taking a concerted effort to bring a paradigm shift back to the real world of truth and fact.
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Old 02-05-2021, 07:27 AM
 
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I'd also like to add that some of the most common and provable bad science I see around this forum involves statistical abuse (and analytics).

Red state this...blue state that....idiocy.
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Old 02-05-2021, 07:39 AM
 
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The scientific method is as corruptible as the humans participating in it. The peer review system is particularly corruptible and subject to social and political pressures. I believe in the concept of science...who wouldn't? I am skeptical of science that is mixed with politics however. When the two mix they are used for the same purpose that religion is used in theocracies and in the empires of old. Yesterday's priests are today's scientific experts, used as authoritative sources to justify often draconian edicts.

science + politics = religion
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