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Old 02-15-2021, 04:34 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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I have every confidence that these facts and data will be suppressed and ignored by the fascists running this country. That includes the federal government, the media, and big tech.

It's telling that it took the foreign press to publish the story.
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Old 02-15-2021, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No it doesn't. Nothing about the density of Los Angeles compared to Miami makes it more of a petri dish for Covid19. People in Los Angeles and Miami still use their automobiles to go to work. This is not NYC we're talking about, where there was that excuse about public transportation.

Also you can cook numbers, but cannot hide dead bodies or overflowed hospitals. Our hospitals are empty.
Los Angeles and San Francisco have the highest overcrowding rates in the country, more the NYC and Miami.

https://cayimby.org/california-worse...than-new-york/
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Old 02-16-2021, 12:14 AM
 
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Los Angeles and San Francisco have the highest overcrowding rates in the country, more the NYC and Miami.

https://cayimby.org/california-worse...than-new-york/
According to your chart, only Los Angeles does. San Francisco (city not MSA) is below both NYC and Miami. Maybe you meant San Jose.

But what this is really measuring is that more families are living in apartments in LA than they are in NYC, Miami, and San Francisco.

It's a weird metric to excuse California's lousy performance. Florida has higher obesity rates and higher median age than Californians - and both are indicators of increased death rate for Covid.

Density is roughly the same. The only way density really plays into this picture is if PT is used a lot. That's NYC, maybe San Francisco/Oakland. Not LA - which is incidentally where the worst of California's Covid outbreak is. Also, another area that's almost as bad in California is the central valley, which is basically rural.
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Old 02-16-2021, 12:27 AM
 
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According to your chart, only Los Angeles does. San Francisco (city not MSA) is below both NYC and Miami. Maybe you meant San Jose.

But what this is really measuring is that more families are living in apartments in LA than they are in NYC, Miami, and San Francisco.

It's a weird metric to excuse California's lousy performance. Florida has higher obesity rates and higher median age than Californians - and both are indicators of increased death rate for Covid.

Density is roughly the same. The only way density really plays into this picture is if PT is used a lot. That's NYC, maybe San Francisco/Oakland. Not LA - which is incidentally where the worst of California's Covid outbreak is. Also, another area that's almost as bad in California is the central valley, which is basically rural.



San Jose is one very large suburb, definitely less densely crowded than San Francisco (I live in Mountain View which is between San Jose and San Francisco but closer to San Jose). Everything is still closed here except for outdoor dining. Go to a park or trail on a sunny and warm winter day and 80 percent of the people are wearing masks outside in the sunshine and fresh air, including solo bicyclists and 1 year olds pushing pushed in strollers. Public schools are still doing virtual instruction and indoor gatherings outside of "protests" are forbidden by law. From December through most of January, we were on very strict stay at home orders similar to the one in Spring. Yet, we were still hit with Covid hard over the winter and now cases are declining sharply despite things opening up a little bit over the past 3 weeks.
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Old 02-16-2021, 12:33 AM
 
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San Jose is one very large suburb, definitely less densely crowded than San Francisco (I live in Mountain View which is between San Jose and San Francisco but closer to San Jose). Everything is still closed here except for outdoor dining. Go to a park or trail on a sunny and warm winter day and 80 percent of the people are wearing masks outside in the sunshine and fresh air, including solo bicyclists and 1 year olds pushing pushed in strollers. Public schools are still doing virtual instruction and indoor gatherings outside of "protests" are forbidden by law. From December through most of January, we were on very strict stay at home orders similar to the one in Spring. Yet, we were still hit with Covid hard over the winter and now cases are declining sharply despite things opening up a little bit over the past 3 weeks.
Like I said, the chart is measuring families per apartment.

In Los Angeles, a lot of Mexicans live in apartments. A lot of white liberals don't live in apartments in San Francisco, once they get hitched, they move to Walnut Creek.

San Jose, there are a lot of working class Mexican families too, and a lot of apartment buildings setup for Tech workers.

But yes, San Jose is not as dense as San Francisco or Los Angeles or most cities really. That's why his use of that statistic is misleading.
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Old 02-16-2021, 01:03 AM
 
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Like I said, the chart is measuring families per apartment.

In Los Angeles, a lot of Mexicans live in apartments. A lot of white liberals don't live in apartments in San Francisco, once they get hitched, they move to Walnut Creek.

San Jose, there are a lot of working class Mexican families too, and a lot of apartment buildings setup for Tech workers.

But yes, San Jose is not as dense as San Francisco or Los Angeles or most cities really. That's why his use of that statistic is misleading.



San Jose has a lot lower per capita cases than Los Angeles but the average age is younger too so maybe more asymptomatic or mild cases that didn't get diagnosed but more likely due to the introverted culture where many don't mind staying at home and living entirely online. I'm one of the few at my company in the IT industry that tries to live as "normally" as possible.
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