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Old 02-19-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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Doesn't mean they are voting for democrats.
They don't have to vote for democrats. It's all good when they stay home.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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There are more Independents than either Republicans or Democrats.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:21 AM
 
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Leaving the party does not imply going to Democrats.

Democrats are unelectable for the most part right now.

Everyone should be independent as far as I'm concerned.
What it does imply is that they are not on board with Trumpism.
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Old 02-19-2021, 07:27 AM
 
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The true test of Republican we-can-manage-our-own-affairs-so-back-out-federal-government is Texas.

With the exception of certain metropolitan centers, you can't sling a cat without hitting a cowboy spitting out the word, "Socialist." These are tough, independent, stand on your own two feet people.

Who are, once again, asking to be bailed out.

Texas has had more FEMA Declared Disasters than any other state. What with the changing weather patterns, this trend is likely to continue. At what point does getting bailed out require adhering to federal regulations, such as say, weatherization or flood management requirements?

On a grander scale, the last Republican administration to leave the nation in a better economic situation than he found it was Eisenhower. This recent Republican administration left us with federal deficit in the trillions and three million fewer jobs, not to mention a poorly managed national health crisis.

Though you can fool some of the people all of the time, sooner or later folks start to catch on.

Some stuck with Republicans right through invading Iraq over lies and then the torture. Shameful and useless as it was.

But strangely enough, sending a mob to attack Congress in order to overthrow an election is where they draw the line.

Go figure.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Leaving the party does not imply going to Democrats.

Democrats are unelectable for the most part right now.

Everyone should be independent as far as I'm concerned.
Democrats are not electable? How do you suppose they took the white house, senate, and kept congress this election cycle? Georgia? That was a holy crap moment.

I think you have something there as far as being Independent's. It just might break this tribal nonsense that keeps Republican's the grievance, hate monger party. It's sad to see the party I once knew and was part of evolve into something so unrecognizable. Lying, cheating, alternative facts, insurrections are all acceptable now? Is there a bar too low?
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:26 AM
 
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I am one of the people who has left the Republican Party recently. I had left before in 2011 because I disliked Romney so much. I came back because of Trump, and now I left again because I don’t like how the party just lets the Democrats cheat and they do nothing about it. John Roberts did nothing, McConnell did nothing, Pence did nothing, etc.

So now I’m independent and I will stay that way for good. Under no circumstances will I ever vote for a Democrat, though.
How you register has little to do with how you vote, at least in the general elections. All it does is prevent you from voting in the primaries, but that is your bag.
Just don't vote 3rd party when the rubber meets the road, otherwise you will be throwing your vote away.
That includes if Trump is stupid enough to start a 3rd party.

The only way a Trump movement would make any sense is to create a conservative/populist base within the (R) party, and try to primary RINO's.
He himself would still need to run as a (R), otherwise he would fracture the supporters, and guarantee a (D's) landslide in 2024
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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Probably more Dems that changed to Republican than these numbers.

#WalkAway
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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Yep, the view that establishment Republicans like McConnell, Haley, Romney, and Cheney have is impossible to fathom. Their thinking that they have a political future absent Trump is alternate reality hallucination every bit as psychotic as is the left's about the "climate crisis".

Trump ought to never again give them the time of day and get this country back on track with his own new party. IF we are to go forward with political parties, that is. It is becoming harder and harder to understand what purpose that serves.
As I mentioned in my last post, Trump would be an idiot to start a 3rd party, as it would guarantee a (D) landslide in 2024.
He can however do what Bernie and the "Justice Democrats" have done. That is run as a Democrat, even though most are socialists/communists.

So if Trump started a movement, say the Patriot Republicans, and tried to primary RINO House and Senate (R's), that could work. Trump would naturally have to run as a (R) again on the presidential level, as running 3rd party would be a colossal mistake.




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Old 02-19-2021, 09:40 AM
 
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Trumpers appear to believe that sending a mob to hunt down the VP, and overturn the election is no big deal.

At this point, that is the official position of the Republican Party.

Is that correct?


A small group of unarmed kooks are invited in (for some unknown reason) and rush the capitol to make a$$es of themselves, and you equate that to Trump?
I guess the Kabuki Theater the (D's) put on bamboozled some people.

What you should be concerned about is how leftist politicians actually encouraged the 6 months of sustained leftist rioting (some of which is still continuing today), rather than a one off incident by a small number of yokels.


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Old 02-19-2021, 09:48 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I don't have to officially change party affiliation in my state, but I am conservative. That said, I have for quite some time NOT identified as a 'republican.' The republican platform doesn't represent my leanings as a voter, particularly the abortion issue (which I believe should be a woman's choice.....as much as it saddens me that someone would chose that procedure). Anyway....if I have to call myself something now it will be independent conservative. The label doesn't matter. I will no longer vote straight party line.

I cannot begin to describe how deeply disappointed i am in the current crop of republican representatives. There aren't really adequate words to describe my feelings.

I was thinking about a Trump comeback the other day when I heard Mike Pence call in to a radio show to share his feelings about Rush Limbaugh, who was his friend. I personally think you could not have asked for a more solid VP than him. He stood by Trump for four years, even as I'm sure he was thinking what in the HELL have I gotten myself into here?
That Trump called him a coward is the bridge too far for me. And I voted for Trump twice. I won't do it again. I could not, in good conscience.
If he wants to stay with the party in some capacity, I guess that's up to him and what remains of the party. I think it would just be a rehash of what the country has suffered through for the last four years and we don't need that, IMO.

My hope would be that we could find a candidate who espoused the policies that Trump did, who will continue (or reverse Biden's reversals!!) the pro-American policy making, and actually have some people skills. A pipe dream? Maybe, but hope springs eternal.

Thanks for letting me rant.
I'm not aware that he ever used that word. Yes, we know that he was disappointed and said that Pence "didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution". That is an arguable assertion....and not all that surprising coming from a man who has shown us courage unseen before in our lifetimes to go against the grain of the political establishment.

"Didn’t have the courage" aligns Pence with just about every other politician in Washington. Using the word coward is a big step farther than that.

If you have a link to back up that specific reference, please share.
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