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I'm not opposed to that at all. I'm just saying that even for the simplest job, today's $7.25 is incomparable to $7.25 in 2009, especially with some expenses like housing and health care rising far beyond the rate of inflation.
By never raising the minimum, do we want to encourage people to game the system because they can do better not working?
Simple solution, stop allowing lifelong welfare benefits for people who are physically and mentally capable of working. Take it back to the original and end it after a set period of time, and anyone who comes off the roles is not allowed to go back on for a minimum period of time. If you want to stop encouraging people to be unemployed, this would be the best solution.
the wage gap is increasing in EVERY first world nation.... including the so-called "socialist" or social-democracy nations like France, Sweden, Norway, etc
that is what happens in first world nations
France, Sweden and Norway all have significantly less deviation in income distribution than the US. What data were you using to come to the statement you made?
France, Sweden and Norway all have significantly less deviation in income distribution than the US. What data were you using to come to the statement you made?
do they have less...yes
but their gap is increasing...as any 1st world nation would
the income/wealth gap is increasingWORLDWIDE....sorry but its not an American thing
Income disparity increasing in Sweden - Xinhua | English.news.cn
Although income disparity is still low in Sweden compared to international levels, Sweden is one of the many EU countries where income inequality has increased most in recent years, reported SVT.
sorry but this is not an "only in America" problem...its also not a D-vs-R problem...its also NOT a "just this last year" problem, this has been going on for the last few decades
France, Sweden and Norway all have significantly less deviation in income distribution than the US. What data were you using to come to the statement you made?
The economy grows faster under Democrats. That isn’t always a good thing, nor does it mean they don’t cause problems that need to be addressed later when they fiddle with the labor market. And, frankly, I’m not sure why you bring up Trump. Seems like you would link to an actual economist.
Has anybody mentioned yet that this is a FOUR YEAR PHASE-IN?
So for the first year, the minimum wage would rise to something like $9. This is well-below the $11 figure that the Republicans are calling for now. $15 won't kick in for FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. So businesses have a LOT of time to figure out how to adjust their economics to pay a more realistic minimum wage that's been frozen for over a decade. It's not an overnight thing that's all of a sudden is going to kill business.
Why are Republicans so intent on keeping poor people poor for five more years?
I agree with that. The minimum hasn't kept pace. But raising it to $15 is ridiculous and will be a job-killer.
As far as "doing better not working," part of the problem is that we are currently paying people too much not to work in comparison to what they earned while working. Case in point: the regular unemployment PLUS an extra $300 is an incentive not to work even for those had been earning $9 or $10 an hour.
I agree that going immediately from $7.25 an hour to $15.00 an hour would have some unwanted consequences that could be detrimental to the people an increase is trying to help. The proposals I've seen that seem more sensible are phased over several years, and $15 may not be where it ends up for a while. But now, it needs to beat the rate of cost-of-living inflation for a while just to catch up. I'm agreeing with providing more of an incentive to work than an incentive not to.
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Only 2% of workers make the federal minimum wage and half are under 25 years old. I'm not seeing the problem.
Yes, but there is a chunk who are barely above that minimum. And some states have already added their own minimum wage increase to account for inflation.
Simple solution, stop allowing lifelong welfare benefits for people who are physically and mentally capable of working. Take it back to the original and end it after a set period of time, and anyone who comes off the roles is not allowed to go back on for a minimum period of time. If you want to stop encouraging people to be unemployed, this would be the best solution.
I'm not opposed to that idea for people who are gaming the system and could work.
I agree that going immediately from $7.25 an hour to $15.00 an hour would have some unwanted consequences that could be detrimental to the people an increase is trying to help. The proposals I've seen that seem more sensible are phased over several years, and $15 may not be where it ends up for a while. But now, it needs to beat the rate of cost-of-living inflation for a while just to catch up. I'm agreeing with providing more of an incentive to work than an incentive not to.
Yes, but there is a chunk who are barely above that minimum. And some states have already added their own minimum wage increase to account for inflation.
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Simple solution, stop allowing lifelong welfare benefits for people who are physically and mentally capable of working. Take it back to the original and end it after a set period of time, and anyone who comes off the roles is not allowed to go back on for a minimum period of time. If you want to stop encouraging people to be unemployed, this would be the best solution.
There are no more lifelong welfare benefits (aside from SSI or SSDI), the 96 change from AFDC to TANF assured that
Income disparity increasing in Sweden - Xinhua | English.news.cn
Although income disparity is still low in Sweden compared to international levels, Sweden is one of the many EU countries where income inequality has increased most in recent years, reported SVT.
sorry but this is not an "only in America" problem...its also not a D-vs-R problem...its also NOT a "just this last year" problem, this has been going on for the last few decades
No one said inequality is only an American problem. We said it is worse in America, and there isn't evidence that raising minimum wage will make inequality worse, as some in this thread claim. Raising minimum wage will help those in need, and won't cause the massive downsides some claim.
Let's go back to my original question. Can you name a country that saw meaningful increases in unemployment or inequality as a direct result of a minimum wage increase?
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