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Why did you and others post your experiences in the health and wellness section? Just a bunch of anecdotes?
Yes, just a bunch of anecdotes.
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Are all the reddit users lying then?
They are describing their experiences. They have no evidence that the vaccine caused them.
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Maybe they are trying to help other people be better informed, so crazy..
Misinformed is more like it.
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Yes, maybe the vaccine aggravated an existing condition. Is this no longer true? I doubt it will happen, but hopefully at some point they tell people with heart issues not to take it. Similar to the allergic reactions.
WE know the vaccine causes allergic reaction. One person out of millions, who has known heart disease, dying after the vaccine is no reason to tell everyone with heart disease not to take it, especially since they are in a high risk group for adverse outcome from COVID-19.
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"Manufacturers’ U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-required product inserts on the 16 vaccines the Centers for Disease and Prevention (CDC) recommends for children list some 400 ways that vaccines can kill or injure people. These include heart attacks, myocardial infarction, strokes, seizures, tachycardia, a long list of allergies and allergic reactions, encephalopathy, anaphylaxis, arteritis, autoimmune injuries, blood clots, brain swelling, systemic inflammation, sudden death and many, many others."
Argument by package insert, one of the antivax favorites. You will find those conditions listed in a section that states they have been reported but it is unknown whether there is any relationship to the vaccine.
Most medicine is harmful, the question is how much. You cant take ibuprofen extended periods without it destroying your kidneys. In the authors opinion, there is too still much toxity with the mRNA. If I were going to take one, it wouldnt be pfizer or moderna.
That is her opinion, not held by others.
I took the Moderna vaccine. I am of the opinion that all in all its risks are likely to be less than some of the other vaccines we have. It is an elegant approach to producing antigen for the immune system to work with.
So, if we expected 400k deaths but there are 800k then that's a smoking gun for sure. But I've not seen that argument. Instead I just get stuff about how a guy had a heart attack days after getting vaccinated as proof it was the vaccine.
So, to answer your questions:
Yes anecdotes.
No to lying.
Im not sure why the hate towards reddit, most of the side effects are in line with what the FDA states. People should read it over to make an informed decision. Some people like Ben Stein report a severe reaction, its expected... People should just know that is a real possibility.
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Not sure how you are making sure people are "better informed" by insinuating the vaccine killed people without any proof.
Will we ever get an explanation for these deaths, especially the younger ones? Britanny Hall Perez, Kassidi Kurill, Sara Stickles, Sónia Azevedo, and Haley Link BrinkMeyer? Im not sure why anyone under 65 is even considering an "emergency use" vaccine..
And Im not suggesting they stop vaccinating even, but we do have a right to know the information that is out there, and its not easy to find.
I think you are on the right track with the overall picture, Israel has vaccinated the most and those NASTY anti-vaxxers(I guess, suzy has vetted them...reeeee) are at again.
There is a mismatch between the data published by the authorities and the reality on the ground.
They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet. These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.
In January 2021, there were 3,000 records of vaccine adverse events, including 2,900 for mRNA vaccines. Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher.
On February 11, a Ynet article presented data related to vaccination. The authors of the Nakim article claim to have debunked this analysis based on data published by Ynet itself: “We took the data by looking at mortality during the vaccination period, which spans 5 weeks. By analyzing these data, we arrived at startling figures that attribute significant mortality to the vaccine."
The authors say “vaccinations have caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have caused during the same period."
Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann declare that for them, "this is a new Holocaust," in face of Israeli authority pressure to vaccinate citizens.
They also invite specialists to complete their analyses, and intend to pursue legal follow-up to their discovery. The Health Ministry was not available for comment on a FranceSoir query regarding the findings.
More evidence of iatrogenic harm came from Israel, which started vaccinating on 19th December. As reported by former New York Times journalist Alex Berenson, while Covid-19 mortality escalated among Israelis throughout January, in Palestine it declined steeply after a surge in December. Yet the Palestinians had no vaccine.
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This needs proper scrutiny, not reckless denial by those who are meant to protect us. This defensiveness and censorship is how the thalidomide scandal arose. The authorities have apparently cast aside everything we have learned about ethical safeguards in clinical and experimental treatment. Perhaps it is relevant that the British medicine regulator is heavily funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Similar to other situations.
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Prior to the vaccine, Gibraltar recorded a total of 10 deaths due to COVID-19. Following Gibraltar’s launching of a COVID vaccine program on Jan. 10, 75 seniors quickly died. Vaccine critics termed the incident “senior genocide.” Gibraltar’s Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said, “This is now the worst loss of life of Gibraltarians in over 100 years. Even in war, we have never lost so many in such a short time.” Without irony, British health officials blamed the deaths on COVID-19.
On Dec. 22, 2020, an Auburn, New York nursing home started vaccinating 193 residents. No one in the nursing home had died from COVID-19 prior to the jab campaign. As of Jan. 9, 2021, 24 seniors had died. Health officials reflexively blamed the post-vaccination deaths on COVID-19.
On Jan. 27, a British newspaper reported 22 deaths among the 72 recently vaccinated residents of Pemberley House Care Home in Basingstoke. Predictably British health officials blamed the deaths on coronavirus, saying a disease outbreak had begun soon after the vaccine program.
On Jan. 28, a German paper reported that 13 of 40 residents of the Uhldingen Muhlhofen senior citizens residential park died soon after vaccination. Officials also blamed Covid-19.
At Toronto’s Roberta Place Long Term Care Home, six people died after launch of its COVID vaccine program. Health officials blamed a COVID-19 outbreak.
On Feb. 7, the government of Spain’s Andalusia province suspended the vaccination of the elderly at the Nuestra Señora del Rosario nursing home in Los Barrios, Cadiz, after 46 of them died after receiving the first dose of COVID vaccines. In a nearby nursing home in Sancti Petri, in Chiclana, 22 elderly people died of COVID-19 immediately following vaccination.
Unfortunately, most people also dont know there are other treatment options available. After Peru had such good results, we could have approved Ivermectin back in November for compassionate use with high risk. Interesting we wouldnt give a cheap drug a shot with a 20+ year history but we are all gung ho for a vax with virtually none.
My wife and I were signed up two weeks ago to get the COVID shots. But after lurking about some of the concerns being brought up here, some bad news internationally and word that even some of our own vaccinated friends and neighbors are still coming down with severe cases of coronavirus, now we're not sure what the hell to do and it's very frustrating. To be clear about it, both of us are in higher-risk categories for COVID so we're inclined to get vaccinated for that reason alone, and most of our friends haven't had short term issues with the vaccine other than a sore arm and mild fever (outside of a couple who got knocked flat), but we're starting to have a lot of second thoughts.
Does anyone with medical know-how know what's going on? We're in STEM and can both kinda read the technical literature, but don't have the expertise to know where to look or interpret it. Is this because of the variants that are supposed to be vaccine resistant--I think the California strain and maybe the Nigerian or S. African one was supposed to infect people and cause severe illness even with the vaccine? Or is it just because immunity falls off a cliff after a month? (I think they said the clinical trials only required to show people protected a week after the shots?) Should we get the shots now, or wait to get the vaccines until they know how long the immunity lasts? Or maybe even figure out what variants are in our area? (The labs are only starting to ramp this up.)
To be clear we're worried more about the efficacy than the safety since our friends have generally done well so far, although we do have a bit of nagging doubt here which is part of our hesitation--if indeed there are safety issues (and who in the world knows about the long term) then we don't want to have to keep going back again and again to get boosted. They seem pretty safe for now but we've been getting scattered reports from our hospital about a nurse and doctor who suffered a miscarriage and some Bell's Palsy right after getting vaccinated despite being in perfect health, and then there's things like this, https://www.kristv.com/news/national...vid-19-vaccine
No one knows if the vaccine caused Kassidi's death yet but who knows when we're in such unknown territory? Again by risk benefit it probably makes sense for us to get the shot, but in case there are longer term safety issues we'd prefer to get as few shots as possible and only when we have some idea about how long immunity lasts. We're about to head out to dinner with some vaccinated friends who were initially going to drop the masks, but now we're all going with our tight-fitting masks firmly on. Does anyone with medical expertise have answers on this?
Well, read up. It's all open source and more than reputable links:
Data from vaccine adverse event reporting systems in the US (VAERS), the EU (EUDRA) and the UK (MHRA) indicates that covid vaccinations have already been associated with about 3000deaths and several thousand non-trivial ‘adverse events’, including anaphylactic (allergic) shocks, temporary facial paralysis, cardiovascular disorders, and, in some cases, miscarriages. These figures may be an underestimate, as vaccine reporting systems typically cover only a fraction of adverse events.
Post-vaccination deaths may be unrelated to the vaccination. However, in the US, 47% of post-vaccination deaths occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated and 31% of deaths occurred within 48 hours of vaccination. 20% of deaths were related to cardiac disorder.
In the US, the average age of those who died after covid vaccination was 77.8 years. The youngest death confirmed was a 23-year-old. Some young and healthy doctors were affected, too.
Compared to the tens of millions of covid vaccinations already performed, these numbers are small. Compared to the amount of covid deaths, too, these numbers are small. But compared to the standards for safe medical products, these numbers are certainly significant. Moreover, little is still known about the long-term safety profile of covid vaccines. Back in 2009/2010, it took one year for the public to learn about neurological damages caused by swine flu vaccine adjuvants.
Regarding vaccine effectiveness, real-world studies indicate that after the second vaccine dose, effectiveness reaches about 90% in people up to 60 years old, but only about 65% in people over 80 years old. About one third of people over 80 do not develop neutralizing antibodies. Data sources: Reporting sytems OpenVAERS (USA), EUDRA (EU), MHRA (UK). See also: Anti-Vaxxers Misuse Federal Data to Falsely Claim COVID Vaccines Are Dangerous (VN)
Im not sure why the hate towards reddit, most of the side effects are in line with what the FDA states. People should read it over to make an informed decision.
Some people like Ben Stein report a severe reaction, its expected... People should just know that is a real possibility.
1. No hate towards reddit. Just explaining why citing post vax deaths from *whatever* has been scummy.
ALL vaccines have a certain amount of side-effects. I have not problem with reasonable discussion of that, so we are on the same page there.
2. You didn't check so I did, yeah that source is clearly anti-vax....here pushing the suggestion that the whole thing is just a push to combat climate change.
3. You noted the Guardian citing this surge in covid cases....prior to the vaccines taking effect as some sort of proof that the vax doesn't work. If you want to have credibility and try to claim any high ground you need to address these things when you bring them up and people point out that you're helping push a false narrative. What say you to this?
Data from vaccine adverse event reporting systems in the US (VAERS), the EU (EUDRA) and the UK (MHRA) indicates that covid vaccinations have already been associated with about 3000deaths and several thousand non-trivial ‘adverse events’, including anaphylactic (allergic) shocks, temporary facial paralysis, cardiovascular disorders, and, in some cases, miscarriages. These figures may be an underestimate, as vaccine reporting systems typically cover only a fraction of adverse events.
No it doesn't. It indicates people reported an incident that might or might not be related to the vaccine.
2. You didn't check so I did, yeah that source is clearly anti-vax....here pushing the suggestion that the whole thing is just a push to combat climate change.
I have no idea what that article has to do with the one I linked? You should read over it, its very well thought out, no mention of climate change.. They offer this as possible explanation for all the increase death after the jab
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This is what may be happening. Vulnerable people who unknowingly had Covid-19 or whose immune system was keeping it at bay, succumbed to the disease after the vaccine lowered their immunity. The virus struck hard, leading to sever symptoms, cytokine storm and pneumonia. It is also possible that previously shielding persons were cross-infected by the vaccinators.
But more importantly is their final point.
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This needs proper scrutiny, not reckless denial by those who are meant to protect us. This defensiveness and censorship is how the thalidomide scandal arose. The authorities have apparently cast aside everything we have learned about ethical safeguards in clinical and experimental treatment. Perhaps it is relevant that the British medicine regulator is heavily funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
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3. You noted the Guardian citing this surge in covid cases....prior to the vaccines taking effect as some sort of proof that the vax doesn't work. If you want to have credibility and try to claim any high ground you need to address these things when you bring them up and people point out that you're helping push a false narrative. What say you to this?
It would help if the Guardian pointed to specific nursing homes as all the ones I mentioned above where there is increased mortality.
Im not sure why the hate towards reddit, most of the side effects are in line with what the FDA states. People should read it over to make an informed decision.
Some people like Ben Stein report a severe reaction, its expected... People should just know that is a real possibility.
There has been no effort to hide the side effects.
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Will we ever get an explanation for these deaths, especially the younger ones? Britanny Hall Perez, Kassidi Kurill, Sara Stickles, Sónia Azevedo, and Haley Link BrinkMeyer? Im not sure why anyone under 65 is even considering an "emergency use" vaccine.
At least one of those has an autopsy pending. How about waiting on the result before assuming the vaccine is the cause?
There are people under 65 who are getting sick and dying, and they can give the virus to those over 65. If they are not vaccinated, the virus continues to circulate. It is simple infection control.
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And Im not suggesting they stop vaccinating even, but we do have a right to know the information that is out there, and its not easy to find.
It is indeed hard to weed out the misinformation, particularly if you rely on anti-vaccine sources.
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I think you are on the right track with the overall picture, Israel has vaccinated the most and those NASTY anti-vaxxers (I guess, suzy has vetted them...reeeee) are at again.
If you choose to use anti-vax sources you are going to get anti-vax misinformation.
If those infections are showing up right after the vaccine is given the person was already infected at the time the shot was given. It will not work under those circumstances.
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Interesting we wouldnt give a cheap drug a shot with a 20+ year history but we are all gung ho for a vax with virtually none.
The drug has no history with COVID-19, and the data available do not clearly show it works, despite what those pushing it are saying.
Well, read up. It's all open source and more than reputable links:
Data from vaccine adverse event reporting systems in the US (VAERS), the EU (EUDRA) and the UK (MHRA) indicates that covid vaccinations have already been associated with about 3000deaths and several thousand non-trivial ‘adverse events’, including anaphylactic (allergic) shocks, temporary facial paralysis, cardiovascular disorders, and, in some cases, miscarriages. These figures may be an underestimate, as vaccine reporting systems typically cover only a fraction of adverse events.
Post-vaccination deaths may be unrelated to the vaccination. However, in the US, 47% of post-vaccination deaths occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated and 31% of deaths occurred within 48 hours of vaccination. 20% of deaths were related to cardiac disorder.
In the US, the average age of those who died after covid vaccination was 77.8 years. The youngest death confirmed was a 23-year-old. Some young and healthy doctors were affected, too.
Compared to the tens of millions of covid vaccinations already performed, these numbers are small. Compared to the amount of covid deaths, too, these numbers are small. But compared to the standards for safe medical products, these numbers are certainly significant. Moreover, little is still known about the long-term safety profile of covid vaccines. Back in 2009/2010, it took one year for the public to learn about neurological damages caused by swine flu vaccine adjuvants.
Regarding vaccine effectiveness, real-world studies indicate that after the second vaccine dose, effectiveness reaches about 90% in people up to 60 years old, but only about 65% in people over 80 years old. About one third of people over 80 do not develop neutralizing antibodies. Data sources: Reporting sytems OpenVAERS (USA), EUDRA (EU), MHRA (UK). See also: Anti-Vaxxers Misuse Federal Data to Falsely Claim COVID Vaccines Are Dangerous (VN)
See your last link.
VAERS reports do not confirm a link between a vaccine and a reported death.
You might want to reconsider using RFK, Jr. as a source. By the way, Berenson is a COVID denier. You might want to keep that in mind. He should stick to writing thrillers.
I have no idea what that article has to do with the one I linked? You should read over it, its very well thought out, no mention of climate change.. They offer this as possible explanation for all the increase death after the jab
But more importantly is their final point.
It would help if the Guardian pointed to specific nursing homes as all the ones I mentioned above where there is increased mortality.
The nursing homes mortality was from COVID-19 in incompletely vaccinated people. The vaccine was not responsible. It takes time to work and will not treat people who are already infected.
The Nakim people are anti-vax and do not know what they are talking about.
There has been no effort to hide the side effects.
how many people know how to find threads here and on reddit to read up on side effects?
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At least one of those has an autopsy pending. How about waiting on the result before assuming the vaccine is the cause?
There are people under 65 who are getting sick and dying, and they can give the virus to those over 65. If they are not vaccinated, the virus continues to circulate. It is simple infection control.
All well and good, but some people might come to different conclusions either way. Proving 1 death isnt vax related does nothing for the rest. Maybe proving this 1 death isnt vax related is good enough for another person. But either way, knowing about it lets people make a decision like this twitter user. Whether you agree with her reasoning or not, she chose whats best for her.
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It is indeed hard to weed out the misinformation, particularly if you rely on anti-vaccine sources.
If you choose to use anti-vax sources you are going to get anti-vax misinformation.
This correlation is more than coincidental. Analysis of Israeli health ministry data by Hervé Seligmann at Aix-Marseilles University indicates that about 40 times more elderly people died of Covid-19 in the three weeks between their first and second doses than among those who were not vaccinated. Sacrificial lambs?
BUT it didnt make this author anti-vax, she thought it needed investigation...that we shouldnt hide our heads in the sand and ignore it. Different people will come to different conclusions. Someone else might decide the Israelis used only Pfizer, I should go Moderna! Someone else might decide to hold off on all of them.
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Why not vet them first?
I think you are far too trusting in govt, Fauci/Remdesivir, J&J Talcum powder. Maybe some of anti-vax have some good points..Its all about the data, could be there is good reason to be anti-vax towards Pfizer. One possibility, those mRNA toxins and organ failure.
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The technology of the nanoparticles. I don’t want to completely malign it. It’s a superb technology really. But the problem is that it is still much too early for use in human beings. The toxicity is still too high, that first needs to be eliminated, then it would really be a brilliant technology. There are many scientists working on getting rid of this toxicity, research has been conducted on that for years.
the LNPs consist of up to 50% of these cationic lipids: 50% is very high, they are toxic because they have this positive charge.
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If those infections are showing up right after the vaccine is given the person was already infected at the time the shot was given. It will not work under those circumstances.
The unity author mentions this a possibility, I doubt it explains everything, but who knows. As she points out, not too many people are interested in finding out.
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The drug has no history with COVID-19, and the data available do not clearly show it works, despite what those pushing it are saying.
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