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Old 03-18-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
If one is vaccinated and can't get the virus , how can they spread it?.
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Originally Posted by Ziablo View Post
By becoming infected with the numerous variants hitting the states.

What so difficult to understand about this?
Is Fauci saying we need another and different vaccine to combat the variants? If so, Joe needs to launch another Warp Speed ASAP.

Or is he just spitballing farfetched ideas as to why the fully vaccinated must continue to wear one, sometimes two, masks.

 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:08 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Until the virus is contained, masks are going to be important.
Not here in America. The lunatics in CA can wear them until they die of fear and panic.
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:12 PM
 
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Is Fauci saying we need another and different vaccine to combat the variants? If so, Joe needs to launch another Warp Speed ASAP.

Or is he just spitballing farfetched ideas as to why the fully vaccinated must continue to wear one, sometimes two, masks.
They will never voluntarily let any of this go. They are eager for this to be "the new normal". And a number of them have publicly indicated as much.
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I have said this literally about 100 times over the last year... masks are to protect others from the mask-wearing person who is infected with covid. Rand Paul is correct in that a person who has immunity to covid is likely not going to be infected again any time soon. That does not mean that person with immunity cannot be a carrier of the virus. If that person who has immunity is wearing a mask, it is so he does not spread the virus he might be carrying. It is not for his own protection.

When there are a limited number of infections, then we can all take off our masks everywhere we go and can dismiss "social distancing". It is a guessing game what constitutes a "limited number of infections".
but there's no evidence that anyone who has been vaccinated has carried/spread the disease.

See, there's your "scientific" issue. The first 2 vaccines were designed to keep you the individual from contracting Covid and needing hospitalization and dying.

No, there haven't been "proper" scientific studies to show that 98% or 99.9% of previously-infected persons have antibodies, or won't spread the virus.

But there also hasn't been ANY evidence they DO.

Then Fauci/Walensky (Biden CDC) says "Well, the vaccines weren't tested to see if recipients could or couldn't carry the virus but not get infected themselves." However, now, there are 75MM data points to find out "have they been able to carry it and infect someone else?"

And guess what - nothing noted that says "Hey, you can still carry the virus and infect others".

But still, we are told "Oh, you MIGHT infect others" or "Oh, I might get the variant" despite ZERO evidence saying that has happened.
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:15 PM
 
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No, but there is a chance you're being flagrantly inflammatory.

First, in general, you can spread covid in the period between when you just get the shot, and when it "takes."

Second, technically, you can catch it a second time. And no vaccine is fool-proof.

Third - I can't believe that I actually have to tell you this - he's setting an example.
We’re talking fully vaccinated folks (both shots plus 3ish weeks) like Fauci.

Nothing is fool proof.

He’s setting an example in denying basic science?
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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but there's no evidence that anyone who has been vaccinated has carried/spread the disease.

See, there's your "scientific" issue. The first 2 vaccines were designed to keep you the individual from contracting Covid and needing hospitalization and dying.

No, there haven't been "proper" scientific studies to show that 98% or 99.9% of previously-infected persons have antibodies, or won't spread the virus.

But there also hasn't been ANY evidence they DO.

Then Fauci/Walensky (Biden CDC) says "Well, the vaccines weren't tested to see if recipients could or couldn't carry the virus but not get infected themselves." However, now, there are 75MM data points to find out "have they been able to carry it and infect someone else?"

And guess what - nothing noted that says "Hey, you can still carry the virus and infect others".

But still, we are told "Oh, you MIGHT infect others" or "Oh, I might get the variant" despite ZERO evidence saying that has happened.
J&J had trials in Africa with the variant. Up until the vaccines came out we were told that the vaccine would work against the variants. Once the vaccines came out all of a sudden we are now worried about the variants and there's talk of boosters against said variants.

And no scientific data to back any of this up when they say it.
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Based on all that we know about the science of immunity, there is no basis for thinking that a person who is immune as a result of having had the virus, or from being "vaccinated," will be able to infect anyone else.

Senator Paul questioned Fauci during the interview presented in the OP about this very question. He asked Fauci if he had any scientific basis for believing that such people were a risk to spread the virus. Fauci had no such scientific evidence and clearly did not believe that was a concern.
exactly, and even more reason for direct questions:

"Dr Fauci, the vaccines are deemed 95% effective. Please tell us what other 95% effective vaccines allowed the vaccinated to infect the non-vaccinated?"

"Dr Fauci, those that have been infected are not getting reinfected in statistically-significant numbers, and show antibodies. Which prior viruses did people contract the virus and neither produce antibodies or get reinfected?"
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:20 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Did you hear him say this? I sure didn't. Why are you having so much difficulty hearing what Dr. Fauci actually says?
No, it's only you who is "spitballing" farfetched narratives about Dr. Fauci.

Perhaps you should listen more closely to this video that you posted. I would start there if I were you.
Here’s some spitballing that is also fact: Fauci has repeatedly lied about COVID19. Dr. Paul has not.
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:21 PM
 
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but there's no evidence that anyone who has been vaccinated has carried/spread the disease.

See, there's your "scientific" issue. The first 2 vaccines were designed to keep you the individual from contracting Covid and needing hospitalization and dying.

No, there haven't been "proper" scientific studies to show that 98% or 99.9% of previously-infected persons have antibodies, or won't spread the virus.

But there also hasn't been ANY evidence they DO.

Then Fauci/Walensky (Biden CDC) says "Well, the vaccines weren't tested to see if recipients could or couldn't carry the virus but not get infected themselves." However, now, there are 75MM data points to find out "have they been able to carry it and infect someone else?"

And guess what - nothing noted that says "Hey, you can still carry the virus and infect others".

But still, we are told "Oh, you MIGHT infect others" or "Oh, I might get the variant" despite ZERO evidence saying that has happened.
They are not to be trusted at this stage. This has gone way over the top. We have all seen more than enough.
 
Old 03-18-2021, 08:22 PM
 
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I think the last few seconds of the video are the most important. Until the virus is contained, masks are going to be important and Senator Paul was the one playing theatrics. OP, I suggest you watch the video you posted. It is clear you did not.
Makes no sense for immune folks to mask up.

Beyond that, Fauci has stopped falsely claiming the fully vaccinated must mask up because they might spread Covid-19... that argument is do stupid it collapsed under its own stupidity. His new argument is that the fully vaccinated must still mask up because he speculates the vaccine may not protect from the new variants.

And yet he is not pushing for a new vaccine to fight these new variants.

Hmmm...
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