George Floyd died of an overdose- how will the trial unfold? (legal, drugs)

[SanJuanStar]

Originally Posted by hellopity

It doesn’t matter what was going on in Chauvin’s mind. His actions and the consequence of his actions are on trial. And no one is claiming to read Chauvin’s mind. You really need to stop making up stuff.

stay with me Grasshopper. Ellison (that's another topic) amended the charge with 2nd degree murder.


These sorts of killings don't involve any planning on the part of the killer. At the moment the murder occurs, the killer definitely intends to kill the victim, but up until that moment, the killer had no plan to commit murder.


For example, Adam and Bill are neighbors, and lately they've been having disagreements over the fence between their properties. Adam pays Bill a visit to discuss the matter, and while there impulsively grabs a shotgun hanging above the fireplace and shoots and kills Bill.
Adam didn't have any plan to kill Bill when he went to Bill's house that day, so there was no premeditation. At the time he pulled the trigger, however, Adam fully intended to kill Bill. Given these circumstances, prosecutors would probably charge him with second-degree murder.
If, on the other hand, Adam kills Bill during a sudden quarrel with provocation, the charge would likely be voluntary manslaughter. The idea is that if Adam is driven by the "heat of passion," it lessens the moral blame.


A second situation that constitutes second-degree murder is where the perpetrator intends only to cause serious bodily harm but knows that death could result from the act. For example, in the situation above, instead of shooting Bill, Adam grabs a shovel and whacks Bill in the head with all his strength. While Adam didn't specifically intend to kill Bill when he hit him, he did intend to strike him with the shovel knowing that such a blow to the head carried with it a distinct possibility of death. Adam killing Bill in this way would be classified as murder in the second degree.
Extreme Indifference to Human Life

The third main type of second-degree murder occurs when a victim dies as a result of the perpetrator's extreme indifference to the value of human life. Generally speaking, extreme indifference means an utter disregard of the possibility that an act will kill someone.
Going back to Adam and Bill, imagine that instead of hitting Bill over the head with a shovel, Adam grabs his gun and wildly fires toward a crowd of neighbors that have gathered to observe the argument between Adam and Bill. Adam didn't necessarily mean to kill anyone, but also didn't give any thought to the harm that his actions could cause to people in the crowd. This demonstrates Adam's extreme indifference to human life. If one of Adam's bullets struck and killed anyone in the crowd, then Adam has probably committed a murder in the second degree.




If you are going to charge him with 2nd degree murder like Ellis amended, then his state of mind is part of the trial but who are you b.s. here? you already made up your mind.

[SanJuanStar]

Originally Posted by jojajn

LOL! Chauvin wanted to save Floyd's life? As soon as Chauvin learned Floyd had no pulse, Chauvin went into action to turn Floyd and commence chest compressions?

Actions speak louder than words.

so you are saying that there's a possibility that Floyd was already dead before he was touched by Chauvin? LMAO! You are making the case for the defense. LMAO!

[Chenping]

Originally Posted by jjrose

And which of the LE officers was the one with his knee on Floyds neck and upper back? Which officer was the one that refused to move even after Floyd was unresponsive? Which officer refused to move after another officer stated that they could not find a pulse? Which officer is this case about?

This case is about Derek Chauvin, the defendant. The mob including you want him punished for killing George Floyd. I and others believe that he is innocent of any wrongdoing in the course of carrying out his duty as a police officer. Knee on neck or bullet in your head is what you get if you break the law in resisting arrest or shooting at a cop. You need to obey the law.

[Nov3]

Originally Posted by SanJuanStar

so you are saying that there's a possibility that Floyd was already dead before he was touched by Chauvin? LMAO! You are making the case for the defense. LMAO!

At 7 minutes into the excessive force by chauvin. Chauvin was informed that no pulse was detected. Follow along grasshopper.
That's where chauvin willfully declined to follow protocal and commence cpr.
Technically Mr Floyd was not to be in the prone position any longer then to assure the cuffs were secured and Mr Floyd had lowered his resistance. He was to be put on the side position .

[Donna-501]

Originally Posted by SanJuanStar

Baker is the DA's witness? has he been cross examined? You know the defense will bring medical experts that will testify? right? This is a trial, not a 1 sided media circus. The DA is painting a side and the defense will paint another. So if Medical experts contradicts Baker, will you have an open mind or not?

He was the ME and of course, he was cross-examined. I have been watching as much of the trial as I can.

[Donna-501]

Originally Posted by jjrose

Maybe, just maybe, if Chauvin had removed his weight from Floyds body after he was already handcuffed and face down on the ground he would not have died. Maybe if Chauvin had removed his weight from Floyds body after he became unresponsive he may not have died. Maybe if Chauvin had removed his body weight after being told there was no pulse Floyd could have been saved.

Maybe if Chauvin had followed proper police procedure Floyd would not have died.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by SanJuanStar

you mean a procedure that has never killed anybody in the Minneapolis police department? Who are you want to charge next, every White authority in that city and state that trained the Minneapolis cops of this procedure and authorized it? You may have to go up to the chain of command and since Minnesota is a Democrat state, I would love to see how they will eat their own.

Except for the fact that his own co workers and his superior officers stated that what he was not following procedure.

[furiousstyles32]

Originally Posted by Chenping

This case is about Derek Chauvin, the defendant. The mob including you want him punished for killing George Floyd. I and others believe that he is innocent of any wrongdoing in the course of carrying out his duty as a police officer. Knee on neck or bullet in your head is what you get if you break the law in resisting arrest or shooting at a cop. You need to obey the law.

You agree that both are essentially the same thing then?

Secondly you really should brush up on criminal procedure laws and the 5th Amendment. A cop doesn't determine if you break the law. That is what a judge (or jury) is for. This is why we have trials. This is why it would have been wrong for someone to have shot Chauvin in his smug face after what he did to Floyd....because he is entitled to due process (you remember this phrase right?). To hire a lawyer and to have his day in court....just like every other American citizen is entitled to due process unless they're black apparently.

What you've described is a cop being judge, jury and executioner....and nowhere in any Constitution or state/federal law does it give police officers the authority to be any of the 3, much less all 3.

[john3232]

Also on Friday, Judge Peter Cahill called in a juror and questioned her about whether she had been subject to any outside influences. She replied that she briefly saw TV coverage with the sound off and said that her mother-in-law had texted her, “Looks like it was a bad day” but that she didn’t reply.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/....php#taboola-1

Yeah, right. Nevertheless her mother in law is correct: It was indeed a bad day for the prosecution. 2nd and 3rd degree murder are probably off the table.

And the defense has yet to call a single witness.

[Donna-501]

Originally Posted by SanJuanStar

you can make that case but any decent attorney will turn around and show that procedure has NEVER killed a person outright in the Minneapolis police department and his drugs abuse and poor heart did and show medical evidence after medical evidence and cases after cases of people that died under his condition. All the defense has to prove by the drugs in his system and is weak heart and that he couldn't breath before a cop touched him that another factor was the main cause of his death and he brought this on himself for abusing his health for years and resisting arrest. Forget the drug abuse for a second, if he didn't resist arrest, we wouldn't be having this conversation or this be any news.

that's call a reasonable doubt (and a big one) and more weight. You can kiss goodbye murder 1 or 2 out the window.

Don't forget that he did nothing when he was told there was no pulse. Is that in their training manual?