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Old 04-20-2021, 04:49 PM
 
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Police are simply more ready to shoot if the person is black.
The stats say it's the other way around.
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Old 04-20-2021, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm not sure, but we are being told that blacks are literally being hunted down by police like it's a sport. Based on these claims, we are expected to defund our police departments, or possibly get rid of policing and prisons all together. Does that sound like a path towards future prosperity? There's never been a successful civilization that thrived in a vacuum void of law and order, and there's no reason to believe ours would fair any better.
No, this is not what this is about.

The democrats have gone full dictatorship. They are using their special interest groups to chip away the constitution and with the whole thing about defunding police is that the police departments now are our local well regulated militia protected under the second amendment. The democrats goal is to get rid of local police and make it where only the FBI have complete jurisdiction on all policing matters. They want it to be where you have to be a federal agent in order to have a gun. So no, the police and prisons are not going anywhere, just who they will report to.
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Old 04-21-2021, 05:32 AM
 
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What are the actual numbers for the number of unarmed non resisting Blacks who are being killed by police across the U.S?
Being you are so concerned, why don't YOU look it up and tell US?

The data has been posted on CD MANY TIMES.

Either you don't know how, or are too lazy to do so.
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Old 04-21-2021, 07:40 AM
 
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Links to the actual study shows this as a very limited, sparse survey. They really missed an opportunity to layout some follow up questions:

Disclose the actual number '27'

Based on the difference between your estimate and the actual, are you?: Very Surprised, Somewhat Surprised, Not Surprised, Not Sure.

Who do you think was the leading influencer in forming your initial estimate?: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Fox, PBS, NPR, Twitter, Reddit...

How would you describe your feelings about any difference between your estimate and the actual count?: I answered correctly, Betrayed, enraged, manipulated, Doesn't matter- BLM.
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Old 04-21-2021, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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If the math ended there I would agree. You need to also factor in the number of violent crimes committed by race resulting in police interaction.

I can say Wyoming's safety record for high speed trains is flawless and technically be correct. The fact that Wyoming doesn't have any high speed trains is why they have a 0 accident rate.

Stats without all of the parameters are used every day to mislead people. Thats why idiots actually believe that 10,000 blacks are killed by police every year. They listen to the talking heads on TV and trust.
And as part of our "new way forward", we've got to start using reality and fact-based figures.

14,000
7,500
5,800
56%
41%
55%
42%
500
200
30
20

What do these figures represent? Let's start with a population roughly 60% white and 13% Black.

14,000 = total number of homicides annually
7,500 = number of Black homicides annually
5,800 = White homicides
56% = % of murderers that are Black
41% = white
55% = Black victim
42% = white victim

500 = approx total white people killed by cops annually
200 = approx total Black people

30 = unarmed whites killed
20 = unarmed Blacks killed

every one of these numbers is intertwined. You cannot say "see, unarmed Blacks are killed 3x more frequently than whites!" or "See, Blacks are killed 2x as often as whites!" without acknowledging that Blacks are killed by Blacks in VASTLY higher numbers.

Are police killings, especially those of unarmed people, too high? Probably, so let's work on that.

But would zeroing out police killings of Blacks specifically (200) make a dent in the number of Black homicides? Absolutely not.



*Many would argue the "violent incidents by race requiring cop presence" is an important stat and plays an important role. Others might argue this shows "overpolicing" occurs in the Black community. So, I leave it out since it could be politically-charged/disputed.
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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Not many. Meanwhile blacks kill cops at 4 times the rate that whites kill cops. Studies have shown that cops hesitate in violent situations around blacks for fear of being accused of racism. That hesitation has gotten them killed.
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:57 AM
 
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Common sense possessed by critical thinkers would automatically them that there would be considerably fewer blacks killed than whites, since blacks are, by far, in the minority. But I'm not surprised if the 25% figure concerns a number of people as being unjust, since blacks don't make up anywhere near 25% of the population.
What if blacks commit much more crime than whites, per capita?
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Old 04-21-2021, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Crime statistics are some of the most easily manipulated stats in the world. I wouldn't trust any number you see thrown around in this thread. Crime statistics are based on reports. And no everything gets reported, or do not get reported accurately.
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Old 04-21-2021, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by BoBromhal View Post
And as part of our "new way forward", we've got to start using reality and fact-based figures.

14,000
7,500
5,800
56%
41%
55%
42%
500
200
30
20

What do these figures represent? Let's start with a population roughly 60% white and 13% Black.

14,000 = total number of homicides annually
7,500 = number of Black homicides annually
5,800 = White homicides
56% = % of murderers that are Black
41% = white
55% = Black victim
42% = white victim

500 = approx total white people killed by cops annually
200 = approx total Black people

30 = unarmed whites killed
20 = unarmed Blacks killed

every one of these numbers is intertwined. You cannot say "see, unarmed Blacks are killed 3x more frequently than whites!" or "See, Blacks are killed 2x as often as whites!" without acknowledging that Blacks are killed by Blacks in VASTLY higher numbers.

Are police killings, especially those of unarmed people, too high? Probably, so let's work on that.

But would zeroing out police killings of Blacks specifically (200) make a dent in the number of Black homicides? Absolutely not.



*Many would argue the "violent incidents by race requiring cop presence" is an important stat and plays an important role. Others might argue this shows "overpolicing" occurs in the Black community. So, I leave it out since it could be politically-charged/disputed.

Homicide are usually personal. Meaning they're from people with already existing relationships with each other. So if you want be even more granular. Why stop at them just being black? Also males are more likely to commit murders. So isn't this a relevant statistic. As a matter of fact age has an even higher correlation with murder than race does. As well as gender. But why don't we make crime threads about age and gender? Why do we only seem to care about race and crime. Yet we never talk about age and crime or gender and crime?
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Old 04-21-2021, 10:22 AM
 
Location: NJ
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What are the actual numbers for the number of unarmed non resisting Blacks who are being killed by police across the U.S?
how many unarmed blacks are being killed by other blacks?

Even better, how many black lives have the cops saved?

Seems an obvious question to balance out the message.

You must want the quantitative answer.

The media prefers to use the qualitative, emotion evoking suggestion that more are killed by cops than actually are.

the only exception is when reporting on the mass murder of blacks by other blacks, in this situation the media prefers to reduce the lives lost to sterile numerical tallies. they save the sympathetic, emotion evoking backstories for perp's families. they drag out the weeping relatives who now miss that drug adled career criminal.

Let a black kid earning honors in high scholl get gunned down and not a peep.

Question is, why the does media and socialist hate black people enough to use them as pawns to forward a political agenda????????
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