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Old 02-22-2021, 11:36 PM
 
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Given the incessant media hype, I guess it isn't surprising that Americans overestimate, by orders of magnitude, the number of unarmed black men killed by police.

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A recent nationally representative survey commissioned by Skeptic Mag asked respondents to estimate the number of unarmed blacks killed by police in 2019. Overall, 44% of liberals guessed 1,000 or more as compared to 20% of conservatives
22% of respondents calling themselves "very liberal" estimate the number at 10,000 or more.

The actual number is 27.

Also...

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In 2019, what percentage of people killed by police were black?

Liberals - 56%

Conservatives - 38%
The actual figure is around 25%.


https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/...d-black-men%2F
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Old 02-22-2021, 11:55 PM
 
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Given the incessant media hype, I guess it isn't surprising that Americans overestimate, by orders of magnitude, the number of unarmed black men killed by police.


22% of respondents calling themselves "very liberal" estimate the number at 10,000 or more.

The actual number is 27.

Also...



The actual figure is around 25%.


https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/...d-black-men%2F
Cool. So lets see. Where to start. So 2010 Census. % of us population that is black? 12.6%.

page 4:
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010br-02.pdf

And you are trotting out that 25% number like its something to be proud of? Really?

And 27 of them were 100% unarmed? And you're proud of this? Really?

I grant you the rare Greywar double DOHS!
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:21 AM
 
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Cool. So lets see. Where to start. So 2010 Census. % of us population that is black? 12.6%.

page 4:
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010br-02.pdf

And you are trotting out that 25% number like its something to be proud of? Really?
Given that considerably more than 25% of violent criminals encountered by police are black, the 25% number indicates that cops are less, not more, likely to kill a given perp if he's black, and absolutely are not targeting blacks for death out of racism. But you knew that didn't you. You complain about arguing dishonestly but you're the poster boy for that.
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:32 AM
 
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Given that considerably more than 25% of violent criminals encountered by police are black, the 25% number indicates that cops are less, not more, likely to kill a given perp if he's black, and absolutely are not targeting blacks for death out of racism. But you knew that didn't you. You complain about arguing dishonestly but you're the poster boy for that.
lol. ah yes, so now black people are criminals. Or are they more likely to be identified that way?

Sort of like NY where black and white people on average carry the same amount of personal use drugs. But stop and frisk? Overwhelmingly targeted them. Result? More of them were criminals.....

Stuff like that? But you pick a cherry picked value in some ways. Violent crime. OK. 52% I think is the figure correct? We can argue that one if you want. Lets start with this though.

Its not genetics. Other countrys dont have this disparity. Are you arguing this is a culture issue? How EXACTLY do you think that culture has formed? You know, when youre the minority, 150 years ago? They were owned. And people have discriminated against them pretty heavily. Massive wealth gaps.

And cops still do. Ive SEEN it. So arguing about this to try and make them the bad guys? Lets get real. There are no good guys here. And no great solutions.
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:39 AM
 
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Its 27, but the real question is why do they all occur Democrat cities, with Democrat Mayors, Democrat police chiefs, and Democrat City Councils? Democrats, shooting young unarmed black men, and putting young black men in prison with Biden's Crime Bill 25 years ago
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:57 AM
 
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Its 27, but the real question is why do they all occur Democrat cities, with Democrat Mayors, Democrat police chiefs, and Democrat City Councils? Democrats, shooting young unarmed black men, and putting young black men in prison with Biden's Crime Bill 25 years ago
There were only 13 shooting deaths of unarmed blacks, according to the WaPo database. That 27 figure is for deaths "by all means", and it comes from Mapping Police Violence, a group that is high critical of police.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:10 AM
 
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lol. ah yes, so now black people are criminals. Or are they more likely to be identified that way?

Sort of like NY where black and white people on average carry the same amount of personal use drugs. But stop and frisk? Overwhelmingly targeted them. Result? More of them were criminals.....

Stuff like that? But you pick a cherry picked value in some ways. Violent crime. OK. 52% I think is the figure correct? We can argue that one if you want. Lets start with this though.

Its not genetics. Other countrys dont have this disparity. Are you arguing this is a culture issue? How EXACTLY do you think that culture has formed? You know, when youre the minority, 150 years ago? They were owned. And people have discriminated against them pretty heavily. Massive wealth gaps.

And cops still do. Ive SEEN it. So arguing about this to try and make them the bad guys? Lets get real. There are no good guys here. And no great solutions.
The point here is that Americans have been misinformed, and wildly overestimate the problem of police killing unarmed blacks. Fake news drove the BLM riots.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:59 AM
 
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How many? Crime is rampant so I'm gonna say not enough.
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Old 02-23-2021, 06:58 AM
 
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Cool. So lets see. Where to start. So 2010 Census. % of us population that is black? 12.6%.

page 4:
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010br-02.pdf

And you are trotting out that 25% number like its something to be proud of? Really?

And 27 of them were 100% unarmed? And you're proud of this? Really?

I grant you the rare Greywar double DOHS!

You do realize that being unarmed doesn't preclude a shooting from being justifiable, right? Also, I assume you can do math. Good. Divide 27 by the number of Black men in the US. Are you familiar with the term "statistically insignificant"? The numbers show - conclusively - that police shooting Black men isn't a systemic issue. Look at all the neat new stuff you learned today!
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Old 02-23-2021, 07:04 AM
 
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The point here is that Americans have been misinformed, and wildly overestimate the problem of police killing unarmed blacks. Fake news drove the BLM riots.
Most americans knew this was fake news. It is only those who cannot think at all that believe the media and the insane idea that cops are trying to kill blacks. And funny too how they act like ALL cops are white lol
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