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A new study, undertaken by Ravi Shroff, an assistant professor holding joint appointments at NYU Steinhardt and NYU CUSP, and his colleagues at the Stanford Open Policing Project, found that in a dataset of nearly 100 million traffic stops across the United States, black drivers were about 20 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers relative to their share of the residential population.
They were pulled over because blacks break the law more so than whites. You actually think that every study known to mankind which has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that blacks commit high rates of crime would not apply to breaking traffic laws? lmao You refuse to see the truth
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The study also found that once stopped, black drivers were searched about 1.5 to 2 times as often as white drivers, while they were less likely to be carrying drugs, guns, or other illegal contraband compared to their white peers.
Don't consent
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care about the truth
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There are more white people than black people, duh. Look all lives matter. I am not a BLM person by a long shot. But they have a right to complain. And I am not going to repeat talking points that would make David Duke smile. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hs...ths-disparity/
Complain about police brutality, yes. Saying it's racist when it's not, no.
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Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.
Why don't you go by interactions? Because that would expose your numbers as dishonest? When it comes to felony interaction , although it is a statistical tie, whites ae killed at a higher percentage. Police in LA must be biased in favor of eskimos since they don't ticket them.
Now lets look at a real study. A complete study and not an incomplete study down by hacks
Blacks comprise 25% of New York City, but account for 55% of those stopped for traffic
offenses, a 30-point discrepancy. Why isn’t the NYPD, a department that is now majority minority, considered institutionally racist?
The National Institute of Justice is the research agency of the Department of Justice. In 2013, the National Institute of Justice published a study called “Race, Trust and Police Legitimacy.”
Three out of four black drivers admitted that they were stopped by the police for a “legitimate reason.” Blacks, compared to whites, were on average more likely to commit speeding and other traffic offenses. The Institute wrote, “Seatbelt usage is chronically lower among black drivers. If a law enforcement agency aggressively enforces seatbelt violations, police will stop more black drivers.”
"Similarly, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also found that blacks violate traffic laws at higher rates than whites -- in every offense, whether it’s driving without a license, not wearing a seat belt, not using a child safety seat or speeding"
They were pulled over because blacks break the law more so than whites. You actually think that every study known to mankind which has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that blacks commit high rates of crime would not apply to breaking traffic laws? lmao You refuse to see the truth
You obviously don't want the truth. You just want your biased beliefs rationalized.
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Why don't you go by interactions? Because that would expose your numbers as dishonest? When it comes to felony interaction , although it is a statistical tie, whites ae killed at a higher percentage. Police in LA must be biased in favor of eskimos since they don't ticket them.
Now lets look at a real study. A complete study and not an incomplete study down by hacks
Blacks comprise 25% of New York City, but account for 55% of those stopped for traffic
offenses, a 30-point discrepancy. Why isn’t the NYPD, a department that is now majority minority, considered institutionally racist?
I listed real studies with links them. These are not my numbers. Stanford University are not hacks. Data from 100 million traffic stops. You claim some NYC statistics without links, details of the data or anything or what time period they are from.
You want a non biased opinion on the situation. You only need to look at reason.com. A libertarian point of view not tainted by the left wing and right wing rhetoric.
Racially Skewed Policing Is Not a Statistical Mirage
One study after another has found that black drivers are much more likely than white drivers to be searched during routine traffic stops, and those searches are less likely to discover contraband. That suggests racial bias, conscious or not, plays a role in deciding who seems suspicious.
In a 2016 speech, Tim Scott, the only black Republican in the Senate, explained what such disparities mean in practice, noting that he had been stopped by police seven times in a single year. "The vast majority of the time," he said, "I was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or some other reason just as trivial."
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A new study, undertaken by Ravi Shroff, an assistant professor holding joint appointments at NYU Steinhardt and NYU CUSP, and his colleagues at the Stanford Open Policing Project, found that in a dataset of nearly 100 million traffic stops across the United States, black drivers were about 20 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers relative to their share of the residential population.
The study also found that once stopped, black drivers were searched about 1.5 to 2 times as often as white drivers, while they were less likely to be carrying drugs, guns, or other illegal contraband compared to their white peers.
See above
There are more white people than black people, duh. Look all lives matter. I am not a BLM person by a long shot. But they have a right to complain. And I am not going to repeat talking points that would make David Duke smile.
Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.
I skimmed enough of the Stanford study to see that is has some worthwhile points, and was certainly in-depth. It goes beyond the "Harvard Public Health standard" of "were they white or were they Black?" which is basically no standard at all. I sure as hell hope they didn't get federal $ to bean-count.
One study after another has found that black drivers are much more likely than white drivers to be searched during routine traffic stops, and those searches are less likely to discover contraband. That suggests racial bias, conscious or not, plays a role in deciding who seems suspicious.
In a 2016 speech, Tim Scott, the only black Republican in the Senate, explained what such disparities mean in practice, noting that he had been stopped by police seven times in a single year. "The vast majority of the time," he said, "I was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or some other reason just as trivial."
and I guess this may be the heart of the issue. Is any profiling good profiling? How far do we want cops to go to stop crime, which currently includes drug-dealing? Is all profiling wrong, or harrassing behavior that occurs during a stop?
"Change gun laws and its all over for youthful murderers."You are very naive, IMO.
And you think those "youthful murderers" didn't break the EXISTING gun laws? You even admit he gun was stolen. Isn't that against the law? Did it stop the thief?
Over 20,000 gun laws on the books now and look at where we are.
ENFORCE the EXISTING laws, problem solved! NO plea bargaining down gun crimes. You get 20 years DO 20 YEARS. No more, 1 day off your sentence for each day of "good" behavior. Instead ADD 1 day for each day of "BAD" behavior.
Yup, just make it illegal to murder someone, and just like that, no more murder. Cuz we know that criminals will not break the law if you make it illegal to do bad things to to other people.
and I guess this may be the heart of the issue. Is any profiling good profiling? How far do we want cops to go to stop crime, which currently includes drug-dealing? Is all profiling wrong, or harrassing behavior that occurs during a stop?
I guess if the goal is stopping crime at all costs. Then all people should be pulled over and their vehicles searched on a regular basis. You would find I am sure all sorts of illegal stuff including people with warrants, etc. But then there would be lots of people rightfully upset about being treated this way and confront the police or try to stop them from doing the search and would probably lead to more police shootings and killings. And obviously pulling everyone over and searching them is unconstitutional. Except close to the border.
There is no safe society that is also free. One has to decide which is more important.
and I guess this may be the heart of the issue. Is any profiling good profiling? How far do we want cops to go to stop crime, which currently includes drug-dealing? Is all profiling wrong, or harrassing behavior that occurs during a stop?
Strangely, around my area, a large majority of drug/heroin related arrests/traffic stops are younger white people!
I think the narrative may be changing, they are going after white people more often now.
Black people were associated with heroin use in the 70s, but today, it seems to be white people, not sure what their agenda is in this though.
That's called changing gun laws. Making gun crimes a separate class of crimes would be a start. Forget about regulating guns. Just make people who use them unlawfully wish they never owned a gun.
"That's called changing gun laws" really? What law was changed?
A new study, undertaken by Ravi Shroff, an assistant professor holding joint appointments at NYU Steinhardt and NYU CUSP, and his colleagues at the Stanford Open Policing Project, found that in a dataset of nearly 100 million traffic stops across the United States, black drivers were about 20 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers relative to their share of the residential population.
The study also found that once stopped, black drivers were searched about 1.5 to 2 times as often as white drivers, while they were less likely to be carrying drugs, guns, or other illegal contraband compared to their white peers.
See above
There are more white people than black people, duh. Look all lives matter. I am not a BLM person by a long shot. But they have a right to complain. And I am not going to repeat talking points that would make David Duke smile.
Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.
Instead of basing your position on "studies", look at the ACTUAL numbers provided by the FBI.
Black and Hispanic people think the police have committed even more violence against them during post George Floyd year one.
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As the one-year anniversary of George Floyd's death nears, a majority of Black Americans say police treatment and violence against Black and Brown youths has increased in the past year.
According to a new Axios-Ipsos poll released Saturday, 68 percent of Black people said that police treatment has gotten worse in the past year, while only 6 percent said it has improved.
Similarly, 72 percent of Black people said they believe police shootings against Black and Brown youths have gotten worse. That view was shared by nearly 50 percent of Hispanic Americans, and comes after the recent police killings of 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant and 13-year-old Adam Toledo.
The survey found that police distrust is so severe among people of color that 55 percent of Black people and 40 percent of Hispanics said calling police does more harm than good in a time of need.
I would bet that police have actually been more restrained in their encounters with "Black and Brown youths" in the past year but the media controls perceptions.
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