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Change gun laws and its all over for youthful murderers. I had a relative murdered with a stolen gun by someone who was just released that day. This was in a mostly white judicial system. I'm sure they thought he paid his dues to society and was ready for a second chance.
"Change gun laws and its all over for youthful murderers."You are very naive, IMO.
And you think those "youthful murderers" didn't break the EXISTING gun laws? You even admit he gun was stolen. Isn't that against the law? Did it stop the thief?
Over 20,000 gun laws on the books now and look at where we are.
ENFORCE the EXISTING laws, problem solved! NO plea bargaining down gun crimes. You get 20 years DO 20 YEARS. No more, 1 day off your sentence for each day of "good" behavior. Instead ADD 1 day for each day of "BAD" behavior.
Given that considerably more than 25% of violent criminals encountered by police are black, the 25% number indicates that cops are less, not more, likely to kill a given perp if he's black, and absolutely are not targeting blacks for death out of racism. But you knew that didn't you. You complain about arguing dishonestly but you're the poster boy for that.
Your thread just imploded. There is no proof that 25% of the violent crimes are committed by blacks only that blacks get convicted for violent crimes at 25%.
I support the police. I think its a small handful who are really bad cops. I know lots of officers. They just want to do their job and go home to their families. But do blacks just get targeting more and are they less able to afford competent legal help. And if you are stuck with a PD you odds are not good at all. And that goes into the 25%.
I doubt these are just random acts of violence, just waking up one day, picking up a gun and planning to go out and kill someone...point is, there is some reason why they kill, what are those reasons?
In this case, I would say gang/drug dealing are probably the reason.
1. No fathers in the house
2. Access to illegal guns
3. Gangs
Change any of those three, and the murder rate drops like a rock.
Your thread just imploded. There is no proof that 25% of the violent crimes are committed by blacks only that blacks get convicted for violent crimes at 25%.
Of course, there's proof. The NCVS, for instance. Although, for serious violent crime the percentage is greater than 25%.
"Change gun laws and its all over for youthful murderers."You are very naive, IMO.
And you think those "youthful murderers" didn't break the EXISTING gun laws? You even admit he gun was stolen. Isn't that against the law? Did it stop the thief?
Over 20,000 gun laws on the books now and look at where we are.
ENFORCE the EXISTING laws, problem solved! NO plea bargaining down gun crimes. You get 20 years DO 20 YEARS. No more, 1 day off your sentence for each day of "good" behavior. Instead ADD 1 day for each day of "BAD" behavior.
That's called changing gun laws. Making gun crimes a separate class of crimes would be a start. Forget about regulating guns. Just make people who use them unlawfully wish they never owned a gun.
Any number greater than zero is too many, but we don't live in an idealistic Utopian world. The best we can do is to drive the number as close to zero as possible.
The insane thing is that if you self-identify as Liberal or politically Left, chances are you believe that way way way way way more unarmed black people are killed by the police every year than actually are. If you're on the political Right, there's still very good odds you massively overestimate the real world nubmers. When the real 2019 number is 27 unarmed black men, but well over half of all Americans believe it's at least 1000 unarmed black men, with some thinking it's more than 10,000 unarmed black men ... well there's a serious disconnect with reality there. https://www.skeptic.com/research-cen...-CUPES-007.pdf
We're already a lot closer to zero than most Americans believe we are.
Of course, there's proof. The NCVS, for instance. Although, for serious violent crime the percentage is greater than 25%.
Historically blacks have been targeted more than whites by the police. You pull over more black people you will find more crime. They way the police have targeting black residents is one of the big complaints of BLM. Everyone should be treated fairly by the police. And trying to pull together stats to make it appear everything is fine does not help when its not fine.
What the numbers do show is the police kill very few unarmed Americans. That is a good thing and it gets lost when they do screw up and kill an unarmed person.
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Historically blacks have been targeted more than whites by the police.
No they are not targeted. They are arrested because they commit crimes at much higher rates.
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You pull over more black people you will find more crime.
They get pulled over because they are breaking the law. Studies have proven this.
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They way the police have targeting black residents is one of the big complaints of BLM. Everyone should be treated fairly by the police. And trying to pull together stats to make it appear everything is fine does not help when its not fine.
Agree with everyone should be treated fairly. What proof do you have that blacks are mistreated?
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What the numbers do show is the police kill very few unarmed Americans. That is a good thing and it gets lost when they do screw up and kill an unarmed person.
What the numbers show is that more whites, armed and unarmed are killed by police. But you can't name any.
A new study, undertaken by Ravi Shroff, an assistant professor holding joint appointments at NYU Steinhardt and NYU CUSP, and his colleagues at the Stanford Open Policing Project, found that in a dataset of nearly 100 million traffic stops across the United States, black drivers were about 20 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers relative to their share of the residential population.
The study also found that once stopped, black drivers were searched about 1.5 to 2 times as often as white drivers, while they were less likely to be carrying drugs, guns, or other illegal contraband compared to their white peers.
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Agree with everyone should be treated fairly. What proof do you have that blacks are mistreated?
See above
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What the numbers show is that more whites, armed and unarmed are killed by police. But you can't name any.
There are more white people than black people, duh. Look all lives matter. I am not a BLM person by a long shot. But they have a right to complain. And I am not going to repeat talking points that would make David Duke smile.
Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.
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