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Old 04-27-2021, 06:23 PM
 
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What rubbish!
A fair trial was had.
All data ,evidence was presented.
The crime was proven.
I think anyone clouding it with ',change of venue!!! Sequester!! Sequester!'. Are uneducated in what is 'fair' in the court system.

It isn't all about the defendent. It's the entirety of the case. From prosecutor filings to questions and selection of the jurors. And yes they were asked about the riots. Each adult juror that made the cut answered as fairly as they could.

I've no clue why any alt juror would even interview. Makes little sense. You did your job, move on.

Maybe I have more faith in jurors as adults and part of their community. They have the same purdence of reason to access the data to make a fair legal determination.
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Old 04-27-2021, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What rubbish!
A fair trial was had.
All data ,evidence was presented.
The crime was proven.
I think anyone clouding it with ',change of venue!!! Sequester!! Sequester!'. Are uneducated in what is 'fair' in the court system.

It isn't all about the defendent. It's the entirety of the case. From prosecutor filings to questions and selection of the jurors. And yes they were asked about the riots. Each adult juror that made the cut answered as fairly as they could.

I've no clue why any alt juror would even interview. Makes little sense. You did your job, move on.

Maybe I have more faith in jurors as adults and part of their community. They have the same purdence of reason to access the data to make a fair legal determination.
They wanted a payday and their 15 minutes of fame. That is all.
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Old 04-27-2021, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Various
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They have the same purdence of reason to access the data to make a fair legal determination.
If they had found him not guilty, do you think there would have been no personal repercussions for them given the current environment?

Consider that a rhetorical question as I will assume you will pretend the answer to that is no.

But we all know the reality given the situation. They had an enormous conflict of interest, which could have been mitigated by a competent judge.
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:24 PM
 
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Former MPD police officers Thomas Lane, J. Alexander Kueng & Tou Thao face trial in August on charges of aiding & abetting both second-degree murder & second-degree manslaughter.
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Old 04-27-2021, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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If they had found him not guilty, do you think there would have been no personal repercussions for them given the current environment?

Consider that a rhetorical question as I will assume you will pretend the answer to that is no.

But we all know the reality given the situation. They had an enormous conflict of interest, which could have been mitigated by a competent judge.
If the jury were not identified or they didn't out themselves, it would be hard to without breaking the gag order around the case or doxing them. I do not like doxing regardless of the reason. We should not dox anyone.
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Old 04-28-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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Driving drunk is an accident but also a crime. An accident doesn't excuse a crime.
Yeah but drunks who kill people don't get life sentences.


This cop didn't intend to kill that man.


AT BEST he should have been guilty on manslaughter 2.
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Old 04-28-2021, 11:24 AM
 
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Yeah but drunks who kill people don't get life sentences.


This cop didn't intend to kill that man.


AT BEST he should have been guilty on manslaughter 2.
Was this cop so stupid it didn’t dawn on him what he was doing was killing someone in the process. Ignorance and arrogance is no excuse for murder
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Old 04-28-2021, 11:43 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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If the jury were not identified or they didn't out themselves, it would be hard to without breaking the gag order around the case or doxing them. I do not like doxing regardless of the reason. We should not dox anyone.
When jurors names are sealed during a trial they usually aren't sealed forever.

In Minnesota the sealed names of the jurors are usually unsealed after the trials. In this case the judge said he would keep their names sealed until he deemed it safe to unseal them. And that could be at any time. I'm sure the jurors were aware of that their name will be released at some point.
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Yeah but drunks who kill people don't get life sentences.
Where is piggy Chauvin getting a life sentence? He at best will have 40 years from his current charges. Could that be an effective life sentence, sure; but it isn't a life sentence in a legal sense. I mean look at the charges for those with massive amounts of child pornography. They aren't given life sentences, often they get a few years a charge, but because the amount of child porn, they get over 100 years. Same goes with serial killers and serial rapists.

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This cop didn't intend to kill that man.

AT BEST he should have been guilty on manslaughter 2.
The bold is debatable but it doesn't mean he couldn't be guilty of murder. Piggy Chauvin showed textbook depraved indifference with his actions. According to Minnesota murder statutes, piggy Chauvin committed Murder-3. As for Murder-2 piggy Chauvin showed an intense emotional response or impulse during his restraint of George Floyd and he also inflected great bodily harm.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/mu...innesota-43141

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Was this cop so stupid it didn’t dawn on him what he was doing was killing someone in the process. Ignorance and arrogance is no excuse for murder
Pretty much. That and as I've said several times, piggy Chauvin showed the emotional attachment to a crime you typically see with a serial killer like Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer or Kulinsky.
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:12 PM
 
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Where is piggy Chauvin getting a life sentence? He at best will have 40 years from his current charges. Could that be an effective life sentence, sure; but it isn't a life sentence in a legal sense. I mean look at the charges for those with massive amounts of child pornography. They aren't given life sentences, often they get a few years a charge, but because the amount of child porn, they get over 100 years. Same goes with serial killers and serial rapists.



The bold is debatable but it doesn't mean he couldn't be guilty of murder. Piggy Chauvin showed textbook depraved indifference with his actions. According to Minnesota murder statutes, piggy Chauvin committed Murder-3. As for Murder-2 piggy Chauvin showed an intense emotional response or impulse during his restraint of George Floyd and he also inflected great bodily harm.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/mu...innesota-43141



Pretty much. That and as I've said several times, piggy Chauvin showed the emotional attachment to a crime you typically see with a serial killer like Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer or Kulinsky.
Good grief...
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