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Old 05-03-2021, 07:04 PM
 
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Do urban people's lives, needs, and opinions not also matter? Should they not receive a reasonable say in how their lives are structured and governed?
Of course they matter, as it stands, they have a disproportionately large say in not only how their lives are structured and governed but how everyone's lives are structured and governed.....to the point where people are actively upset that they aren't the ONLY people who matter.

Fortunately the founders set up a system to prevent the tyrannical rule of a few cities over the entire country.
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Old 05-03-2021, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Take everything you just said and reverse it to realize there are two sides to this argument.

There are many more of those urban dwellers. Federalism represents rural folk's needs reasonably well, but simply continuing to show maps with sparsely populated land masses, and bragging on they amount of land that they live on, is not a way to win an argument that the rural vote must win all or even most issues. There are more people in New York City, Chicago, and LA than in some smaller states in their entirety, and their is a reason there are-that is where the jobs are, and where economies of scale for business and services can be achieved.

Do urban people's lives, needs, and opinions not also matter? Should they not receive a reasonable say in how their lives are structured and governed?
And this is why the individual STATES should be making their own policies. What works for California does not work for Wyoming. What works for New York City, doesn’t necessarily work for New York State. (In fact I know many that live in New York State that can’t stand the fact that NYC basically dictates policy for the rest of the huge state) this is how it was always supposed to be in the United STATES of America. The states were supposed to govern themselves. It’s far easier to get your points across and get accurate representation of your needs and wants at a smaller, state scale level, then it is at a federal level. Really, it should be from the town or city level on up. The answer isn’t more power to the federal level.

It should go town level, city level, county level, state level in that order. The federal government should deal with national security issues, national military, represent the interests of the USA as a whole on the global level (I.e. international relations), and support the state governments. That is IT! It should not be up to the morons in DC (on both sides of the aisle) to make laws, rules, and regulations for an entire nation as vast and diverse as ours is. This seriously would solve most of our issues as a country try if we got back to what the founding fathers intended this nation to be. The problem is there is no way the feds will ever willingly give up the power they currently hold over us all. Absolute power corrupts absolutely after all.
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Old 05-03-2021, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Urban liberals don't understand that all of America isn't a city block. Oppressing rural and small town communities because you make up the majority isn't going to have the effect you want it to.

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Old 05-03-2021, 11:43 PM
 
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/advantage-gop/
Very interesting read from 538

In the US Senate, Democrats represent 40M more people than the GOP does. However, right now they have the same amount of seats. When the GOP was blocking Obama's SCOTUS pick Garland and was ramming through Kavanaugh and ACB, they were doing so for a minority of the population. The Senate favors small states, but the legislation it passes affects all Americans. The bills passed from the Senate affect all people, not people in small states more. It is an unfair disadvantage for the American people who are being shortchanged by an outdated system.

The article also talks about the House and Electoral College, which also skew GOP compared to the national average.



Conservatives are going after minority voters to maintain their power, and at the same time claiming "This is a Republic not a direct democracy". Sure that may have been the case when it was founded, but America is changing, and it is time we start becoming more like a first world Democracy compared to this outdated agrarian system that favored small states instead of the people.
Good god, do people not understand how the US gov system works?

The fact that the article did not even understand that the Senate represents states, and not people, is pretty astounding.
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Old 05-04-2021, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Of course they matter, as it stands, they have a disproportionately large say in not only how their lives are structured and governed but how everyone's lives are structured and governed.....to the point where people are actively upset that they aren't the ONLY people who matter.

Fortunately the founders set up a system to prevent the tyrannical rule of a few cities over the entire country.
80.7%: Percent of the US population living within urban areas

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https://www.census.gov/programs-surv.../ua-facts.html
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