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Old 05-05-2021, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Sigh. While I sort of agree, I also recognize its more complicated then that. I know its this great big argument the democrats use about red state takers and all, but honestly? trying to find simple solutions to complex topics like this isn't all that productive.
Neither is overcomplicating simple topics.
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Old 05-05-2021, 03:56 PM
 
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A lot of the money goes to infrastructure. Rural states have fewer people per road-mile, so obviously those states will get more than they give.

Those crops and raw materials from the rural states have to get to market somehow.
The argument back is that if those roads were needed then the needed raw materials would be taxed at the more local level. if theyre not cost effective? Thats capitalism.

But this is one of the examples about how complex this is. Also-we have a large navy, they tend to be in states near oceans. etc etc.
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Old 05-05-2021, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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A lot of the money goes to infrastructure. Rural states have fewer people per road-mile, so obviously those states will get more than they give.

Those crops and raw materials from the rural states have to get to market somehow.
Take grey's example, "Montana gets back $1.38 for every $1.00 spent in federal taxes.

How much of that $1.00 or $1.38 (take your pick) is siphoned off via the bureaucracy? How much does it cost for an individual to have $1.00 filtered through the oversize bureaucracy that is our federal government?

For every dollar each American spends in federal taxes, how much is distributed back to the average American? Across the board, not just selectively.

The United States Federal Government is essentially the greatest money-laundering scheme ever and the politicians are skimming off the top.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:56 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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In july.

Which seems reasonable enough at the moment to me. But it wont really change much of the underlying problem, and put Montana at a slight disadvantage.

Remember-this was federal money. So now they're paying for it, but not getting its benefit. Shrug. Im sure the citizens of Montana will all be fine about this.

But I think its the end of July, and Id argue that's something that should be considered at the national level. If only republicans could reach across the aisle for it....
The problem is, "federal money" poisoned the workforce so that they had no need to work. In fact, it is clear that a lot of them would make less if they worked.
Montana business owners need their workforce back. In fact, many states would like to have their workforce back. Montana was courageous enough to take action.
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Old 05-05-2021, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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If lefties whine about subsidizing red states, well you have power now.. cut them off. It does seem like a number of them are heavily subsidized for whatever reason. As a fiscal conservative I'm in favor of shutting off the spigots, red or blue. Everyone knows nobody in either party cares about spending though... they are mostly all addicted to stimulus, handouts, QE, etc.
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Old 05-05-2021, 11:14 PM
 
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These people are used to doing nothing all day...unlikely they are going to be productive employees again, after so long of doing nothing, extreme laziness sets in.
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Old 05-06-2021, 07:11 AM
 
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I had no problem with giving people assistance during the shutdowns and all, but when it got to the point that they were taking in more $ on assistance than when working that's when I tapped out.
The Federal contribution is now $300 per week, added to the State payment of $572 per week.

In Montana, the maximum individual unemployment benefit is $572 a week, add to that the $600 bonus payment from the Feds for a good part of last year -- it makes $1,172 per week or $58,600 per 50 week year (almost $30 per hour!!!). No wonder a lot of people did not want to go to work and earn less!!

Let us not forget that those Unemployment checks are not Taxed in any way.
No Medicare, no Social Security & no income Tax.

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The problem is, "federal money" poisoned the workforce so that they had no need to work. In fact, it is clear that a lot of them would make less if they worked.
Montana business owners need their workforce back. In fact, many states would like to have their workforce back. Montana was courageous enough to take action.
State Commissioner of Labor and Industry Laurie Esau estimates that Montana’s labor force is down some 10,000 workers from pre-pandemic levels. Nearly 25,250 Montanans collected unemployment this week, but the state’s jobs website reports more than 14,000 open positions. In March Montana’s unemployment rate was 3.8%. The unemployment rate is so low - it’s insane to pay people not to work.

Other States will soon be doing the same thing. Deliberately putting people on Welfare is a very bad idea.
Montana’s smart move proves again that Congress did far more harm than good with its bonus jobless benefit, and it could help the job market recover faster by repealing it.
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