Some of the other threads asked about where scientists and even the COVID19 vaccine manufacturers have been saying the vaccines wear off, and we'd need boosters soon anyway. This is one of best articles on it,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...say-scientists
And this from Pfizer CEO himself,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ne-white-house
The reason all this so important is that it says things to consider for those us who aren't sure about the vaccine or least, when we should get it. Like I've said before most those of us hesitant about the COVID19 vaccine aren't anti-vaxxers, we and our kids and grandkids get the regular scheduled vaccines because they have decades of study to show they're safe and effective, and work as intended without major side effects. We're not anti-vaxx, we're just careful about jumping in to take an experimental vaccine with unknown long term side effects vs one that's proven itself over many years like the vaccines our pediatricians give our kids and grandkids. Or the pneumonia and shingles vaccines we ourselves get which also have a decade showing safe and effective, and with so much of the things unknown for the new COVID vaccines, a lot of this then gets down to risk and benefits, and timing of when or if to get the shot.
COVID19 vaccines haven't proven themselves like this yet, so it's hard to be sure if they're like the mumps or measles vaccine we get as kids, which has a lot of data showing it works and does no harm, or if it's going to turn out more like the disaster swine flu vaccine that Gerald Ford pushed that led to Guillan Barre syndrome, or the anthrax vaccine during the Iraq War. Both were rushed out like the COVID vaccines now, both used new tech like the mrna vaccines now, both looked fine at first but then turned out to be disasters that hurt a lot of people and weren't really necessary. For anyone else out there who's served in the US military, a lot of the bitterness among many veterans (and challenges in recruitment now) are because we were used as guinea pigs for what turned out to be unsafe vaccines, not unlike what many of us suffered with Agent Orange in Vietnam or exposure to depleted uranium in Iraq where we were also guinea pigs. And there's no way we're letting our kids or grandkids be used as guinea pigs for these new vaccines even if we're getting them ourselves.
And that's where those statements in the Guardian are so important, it tells us something about how to figure out that risk vs benefit, and where we may fit it. My wife and I are in high risk category like unfortunately so many other Americans-- to be honest in this country as a whole, Americans are one of the least healthy and least fit people in the West, and the obesity levels in the US are a big reason why COVID got so bad here. For us specifically, yeah it probably does make sense to get a COVID vaccine at some point even with all the risks and questions because for our risk category, COVID could be dangerous. But even there it's a question of timing and how to do it. We're going on another regional trip today but still we don't travel or go out all that much in general, and COVID is basically showing itself as a seasonal virus like the flu. Yeah it's incidence is going down a lot now in May, but we saw the same thing last year in 2020 before there were any vaccines available. (Outside of India COVID is going down all over the world now for the later spring and summer). That means COVID19 will probably be back with a vengeance in the fall of 2021, maybe even worse than 2020 due to all these new mutants. And since even the smartest scientists, and Pfizer and Moderna CEO's themselves are saying we'd all need booster shots and new versions of the vaccines anyway, due to immunity wearing off and all the new mutants, it seems to make the most sense even for a lot of high risk people to hold off on getting the vaccine now, and instead maybe wait until they have a newer updated version in the fall that sounds like would give more protection against the mutants.
After all the experts are
saying the S. African mutant is vaccine resistant and
Israeli scientists have been seeing same thing, even
one of the local ones in the US may break through vaccines too. And
the mutant strains from India are even worse with vaccine resistance, and apparently in the USA now because even with recent India travel ban, Indian students and a lot of travellers can still come to the United States. The levels of these mutants may not be so high yet but apparently rising. So in Fall 2021, it's looking like for a lot of reasons, even Americans who've already gotten vaccinated will need another shot anyway, and the new shot would hopefully be better against the mutants.
Therefore, even for us high risk people who are planning on getting vaccinated, as long as we're not going out much and so low risk of getting exposed, it makes sense to probably wait until they have a newer version of the vaccine to get a shot. (Most local news channels seem to have good radio and TV updates on the newer versions for of any fellow dyslexics out there who have a hard time browsing the newspaper on making appointments). And for low risk people in general, it doesn't make sense to get vaccinated at all. Almost 95 percent of COVID deaths in the USA,
were in people with lots of pre-existing conditions and in bad shape, which also raises questions about how many Americans died of COVID vs, how many died with COVID. Even if someone dies of a heart attack or stroke in America, if they had a positive COVID19 test, the hospital would mark it as a COVID death.
So if someone is very healthy at just about any age, reasonably fit, below 50, and especially a young adult, or just a kid or teenager, it's hard to see how the COVID vaccine makes any sense. They have a death rate that's almost zero from COVID19 and COVID spreads in vaccinated people anyway, probably for them the flu is more dangerous, and it seems unjustified to take the risks of a totally new vaccine for low risk people with less than a year worth of clinical trial data and knowing nothing about long term side effects, or effects on things like fertility or heart or organ function. The Vaers is full of healthy young people and healthcare workers at very low risk of COVID, getting the vaccine and having bad side effects,
or even dying from it. And the mrna tech is just too new to know what it might be doing long term, or if it might cause auto-immunity somehow in ways that doctors and scientists still don't understand. (One of our healthy relatives got severe lupus that she's still fighting shortly after getting a new and relatively un-tested vaccine, and even now the doctors can't explain why she developed it, she was never sick before and no history in our family of it). So again, why would esp healthy young people at very low COVID risk take all the unknown risks of a new unproven vaccine? Save it for us less healthy folks at higher risk, and yes there are tens of millions of us who could probably use it more. For us it's just a matter of timing and figuring out when to take it with the new mutants posing new threats.
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