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Isn't this just everyday life ? People insult others for no reason, every day all day....just have to love social media and the internet.
And take it for what it's worth. If someone is whining to me about their job, that they don't make enough etc... regardless of the job. I'll basically tell them the same thing. The only one that is going to change things in your life, is you.
I too have done whatever it takes to make money. In '08 when the job market (in my industry) fell apart, I went from a mid six figure job to making $10 an hour working at a friends marina. It was the physically hardest work I'd ever done. It was all good though, I lost weight, got a tan, and was able to keep afloat.
Lastly , I just found your statement that you can "generally" tell if someone is educated or not, by their ideas and communication skills a bit pretentious. You may have not intended it that way, but it sounded it. That is the problem with generalizations.
I administer IQ tests as part of my job. I can tell you that language skills are a VERY big indicator of overall intelligence, and to a lesser degree, education (the two usually have a positive correlation). I can usually guess someone’s IQ pretty easily after talking to them for a while, ESPECIALLY if they are at the tail ends of the Bell Curve. Highly educated people, and people with high IQs just TALK differently, think differently, use language differently. And this is often evident as far back as late elementary school… long before they’ve ever even thought about higher education.
As part of my graduate research, we studied ways to measure pre-morbid intelligence… how to measure what your cognitive ability was prior to some traumatic event (like severe concussion, etc). The most accurate results were all based on language skills. The second most accurate results were seasoned psychologists who simply did a clinical interview. These days, there is at least one test that is designed to measure premorbid intelligence. It is largely based on reading and language skills, because (as the poster you quoted said) you can generally tell peoples education levels (and IQ) levels by their ideas and communication skills. It may “sound” pretentious, but it is absolutely true.
Does "entry level corporate position" provide sick days?
How about sick days and major holidays guaranteed?
And if anything else fails, that "entry level corporate position" is much easier on your joints than flipping burgers all day long, while standing on your feet.
A food for a thought, you know))
You are trading physical stress with mental stress.
Both are bad
If I make x amount, with a UNI degree and someone else earns y amount, y being less than me, flipping burgers with an HS degree, and struggles to pay rent and put food on the table, I won't bemoan them earning as much as me. I will celebrate their increased ability to participate in society.
It is not me vs this other person. Everyone deserves the right to have the ability to function in society with 40 hours of (legal) work.
If I make x amount, with a UNI degree and someone else earns y amount, y being less than me, flipping burgers with an HS degree, and struggles to pay rent and put food on the table, I won't bemoan them earning as much as me. I will celebrate their increased ability to participate in society.
It is not me vs this other person. Everyone deserves the right to have the ability to function in society with 40 hours of (legal) work.
I have my doubts. Most people go to college or trades school 2, 4, 6 years with the most important goal of landing a better paying job, benefits and maybe easier job physically. They spend those years not just losing out on earning, saving and acquiring but being poor (struggling to pay rent and put food on the table) and actually going into debt that may take a decade to pay off. So by the time they get that degree/certification they are already years behind the HS graduate economically. Whats the point if you can make the same money without any effort?
I don't think its an issue of bemoaning unskilled workers making a higher wage as much as reducing any incentive to achieve. And for employers, knowing you will have to increase your wages which in turn causes goods and services to cost more and decreases job positions.
Shouldn't we focus more on the causes of high cost of living and why purchasing power has decreased so that people's wages where they are now will be a livable wage.
A being guaranteed a full time job is not a right.
College degree means nothing and this is coming from someone who has one. The whole post secondary system is a big business. With the exceptions of Physicians, maybe even they might not be an exception, most of the jobs do not really NEED a college degree in order to perform the job itself. In fact, most can be learned on the job and that's what was considered entry level back then. Now days, entry level is used to pay the college graduate the lowest possible with the highest skills possible. So, if burger flipper gets min $15 then yes, everyone else should have their wages increased as well. This may or may not hurt business but it will definitely help all employees and will give the employee at least a livable wage.
Let me guess, your degree was not in business or economics.
I administer IQ tests as part of my job. I can tell you that language skills are a VERY big indicator of overall intelligence, and to a lesser degree, education (the two usually have a positive correlation). I can usually guess someone’s IQ pretty easily after talking to them for a while, ESPECIALLY if they are at the tail ends of the Bell Curve. Highly educated people, and people with high IQs just TALK differently, think differently, use language differently. And this is often evident as far back as late elementary school… long before they’ve ever even thought about higher education.
As part of my graduate research, we studied ways to measure pre-morbid intelligence… how to measure what your cognitive ability was prior to some traumatic event (like severe concussion, etc). The most accurate results were all based on language skills. The second most accurate results were seasoned psychologists who simply did a clinical interview. These days, there is at least one test that is designed to measure premorbid intelligence. It is largely based on reading and language skills, because (as the poster you quoted said) you can generally tell peoples education levels (and IQ) levels by their ideas and communication skills. It may “sound” pretentious, but it is absolutely true.
The long explanation really wasn't necessary, facts are facts. I completely agree on the bolded. And someone
being intelligent doesn't always mean they are successful.
boiling this down, and I welcome your correction...
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Originally Posted by lhpartridge
I've spent 36 years trying to teach kids to read better as I taught them French or math. In all that time, schooling has gotten worse, rather than better, as the powers that be now measure students as data points rather than living, breathing, thinking, feeling individuals who need to be nurtured rather than hammered with months of test-prep, remediation, and high-stakes testing. (A rant for another thread.)
If we had more teachers who could actually teach children, we may make progress...Teaching needs to be considered a profession, such as say accounting is, and teachers need to be paid the salary competitive with other professions with similar qualifications. ...
A major part of the solution is getting children into an environment where they will hear and engage in high-level oral language. Universal preschool beginning at age 2 or 3 would make a huge difference in a range of skillsets....
How would you solve the problem of illiteracy and its consequences for workers?
the first thing I would do is ask the teachers why the kids aren't literate. And do probably 90% of what they suggested.
the second thing I would do is put all those ESL kids into an immersion program until they gained English literacy.
the 3rd thing I'd do is not pass the kids beyond 2nd or 3rd grade until they meet real benchmarks. This includes "segregating" the "slow learners" from the "fast learners". Literacy specialists get the smaller "slow learner" classes, and the fast, fairly self-directed learners get a "regular" teacher.
the 4th thing I would do is eliminate foreign languages until at least middle school, but probably high school. And dedicate all those resources and teachers to literacy.
the 5th thing I would do is incentivize literacy of the parents, and pre-K socialization of their children.
boiling this down, and I welcome your correction...
the first thing I would do is ask the teachers why the kids aren't literate. And do probably 90% of what they suggested.
the second thing I would do is put all those ESL kids into an immersion program until they gained English literacy.
the 3rd thing I'd do is not pass the kids beyond 2nd or 3rd grade until they meet real benchmarks. This includes "segregating" the "slow learners" from the "fast learners". Literacy specialists get the smaller "slow learner" classes, and the fast, fairly self-directed learners get a "regular" teacher.
the 4th thing I would do is eliminate foreign languages until at least middle school, but probably high school. And dedicate all those resources and teachers to literacy.
the 5th thing I would do is incentivize literacy of the parents, and pre-K socialization of their children.
An immersion program, by definition, is going to be mainstreaming the ESL kids in with the native English speakers. That's what immersion is. It's not about separating the ESL kids and hoping they somehow pick up the nuances of speaking English. The younger they are, the faster they will pick it up from the many hours of normal social interaction with their peers.
Learning a foreign language can actually boost literacy in the native language. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but it's true. When I have learned foreign languages, I could tell that my basic understanding of English improved in the sense that I could identify root words more easily and could apply the grammar rules of other languages to my understanding of English grammar. I will say that I am definitely a highly linguistic thinker and that I tend to really appreciate linguistic patterns in various languages, so maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't know that not teaching kids foreign languages, which open different synapses in the brain, would be a good strategy if the goal is to improve literacy and overall thinking skills.
then don't call it an immersion program. Call it diversion if that's more appropriate. A dual language teacher has all of that high % of Hispanic kids and the part of their schooling that is "language", not math, is done with one goal - English literacy/"fluency".
we do know that one of the significant issues from the illegal immigrants is lack of literacy in even their native tongue.
then don't call it an immersion program. Call it diversion if that's more appropriate. A dual language teacher has all of that high % of Hispanic kids and the part of their schooling that is "language", not math, is done with one goal - English literacy/"fluency".
we do know that one of the significant issues from the illegal immigrants is lack of literacy in even their native tongue.
Yeah, that's not really how language-learning works, unfortunately. Which is part of the problem in areas with high ESL populations. If it's only 10 percent of a class or something that doesn't speak English, then the kids pick up the new language very fast. When it's half the class, they don't, because they have the option of mostly communicating with other ESL kids. And when it's the whole class, they just don't become fluent at all. Pulling them out for extra English classes, absolutely! But most of their day has to be spent immersed with mostly English-speakers.
I don't know what the answer is, I'm just saying what the problem is when kids aren't immersed properly.
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