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Old 05-27-2021, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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What's up with these countries that supposedly have superior healthcare to the USA struggling so badly? First its Canada, still being locked down like grounded children, and now it's Australia.

People who tolerate big government for their "own good" get what they deserve.

Austria has a 7 day rolling average of NINE, yes NINE new cases in the entire country, yet things are STILL locked down?

Also, why are they so slow in rolling out the vaccine? Isn't their healthcare system a model for the world like Canada's (who is also lagging behind in vax rollout)?

https://news.trust.org/item/20210527003449-ixaur
So people all over the world need to somehow, someway get over their ridiculous paranoia that they are going to come down sick from COVID-19?

 
Old 05-27-2021, 05:40 PM
 
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1. the USA has massively more population density and population than Australia.
2. 592,000 isn't that many when our country is made up of 334 MILLION people...also that number is massively inflated by deaths "with" covid and also dummy democrat governors purposely killed a lot of nursing home people at the beginning.
3. We are no longer locked down with that many deaths. If Australia is locked down with NINE HUNDRED deaths, when will they EVER reopen?
4. What amount of deaths will you accept to be free? We have several thousand flu deaths per year too. Why don't you lock down for those?

NO surprise to this poster a significant number of Americans have absolutely no regard for the value of human life.

In the meantime accepting any criticism about freedoms from the country measured as less free across the board of all metrics of measurement would be tantamount to allowing the lemmings to set the parade route.
 
Old 05-28-2021, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Various
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1. the USA has massively more population density and population than Australia.
2. 592,000 isn't that many when our country is made up of 334 MILLION people...also that number is massively inflated by deaths "with" covid and also dummy democrat governors purposely killed a lot of nursing home people at the beginning.
3. We are no longer locked down with that many deaths. If Australia is locked down with NINE HUNDRED deaths, when will they EVER reopen?
4. What amount of deaths will you accept to be free? We have several thousand flu deaths per year too. Why don't you lock down for those?
Have you tried doing the sums on per capita? USA is about 1800 per million, Australia is 36. USA is the 16th worst in the world, Australia 116th. By the way, over 800 of the 900 deaths in Australia were in a single State and due to mismanagement of hotel quarantine by their "progressive" government.

But anyway, Australia isn't in lockdown and never has been. At the moment, one State is implementing some restrictions for 7 days. So when you ask when will Australia reopen, what is it that you are actually asking? There are still international border restrictions, I imagine they will be around a bit longer yet, but the Australian population has been open and unrestricted for quite some time.

And all of this information together may give you some hint into the stage of vaccine rollout. It wasn't exactly as high a priority as in other countries. Beyond that there have been supplier issues and a lot of apathy.

So I guess I'm wondering, what point were you hoping to make?
 
Old 05-28-2021, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Various
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Imagine thinking masks stop viruses.

HAHA!

All we need to do is wear a piece of tissue over our face and voila, no more deaths!
If you'd been in Australia, you would hardly have worn one. I wore one for a cumulative total of less than 60 minutes since this began. Ah freedom!
 
Old 05-31-2021, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by paracord View Post
What's up with these countries that supposedly have superior healthcare to the USA struggling so badly? First its Canada, still being locked down like grounded children, and now it's Australia.

People who tolerate big government for their "own good" get what they deserve.

Austria has a 7 day rolling average of NINE, yes NINE new cases in the entire country, yet things are STILL locked down?

Also, why are they so slow in rolling out the vaccine? Isn't their healthcare system a model for the world like Canada's (who is also lagging behind in vax rollout)?

https://news.trust.org/item/20210527003449-ixaur
Still trying are you? Police state? A bit of deflection perhaps?

It has been pointed out that healthcare systems and fighting a pandemic are two very different things.

Australia and Canada with UHC don't have less of a capability of fighting one, because of their systems.

In fact, the US which doesn't have a UHC, uses a universal health approach in fighting the pandemic. What do you think offering vaccines for everyone is except a form of UHC?

As for lockdowns, it really depends on what your definition is. Parts of Canada, like Quebec had temporary curfews, but that was because of the Covid numbers. Canada, and Australia seem to have less tolerance for high Covid numbers. During the pandemic, some of the US's best numbers, were Canada's worse.

I live in BC, and have never been in lockdown. Restrictions on dining etc, came and went depending on the numbers. They are slowly being lifted.

The reason for Canada's vaccine rollout have been explained, but simply put, Canada purchased millions of vaccines from Europe. Europe didn't deliver, but we are rapidly catching up.

You rag on about only nine new cases and the Australian reaction to that. Did it EVER occur to you the reason why Australian and Canada have a much lower death rate than the US is because of the way we react?

The US is NOT a shining light in this pandemic. When the dust settles, and people look back, it will be the countries that mitigated deaths and hospitalizations, that will be looked upon as being the somewhat successful ones.
 
Old 05-31-2021, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Canada
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...... The reason for Canada's vaccine rollout have been explained, but simply put, Canada purchased millions of vaccines from Europe. Europe didn't deliver, but we are rapidly catching up.

You rag on about only nine new cases and the Australian reaction to that. Did it EVER occur to you the reason why Australian and Canada have a much lower death rate than the US is because of the way we react?

The US is NOT a shining light in this pandemic. When the dust settles, and people look back, it will be the countries that mitigated deaths and hospitalizations, that will be looked upon as being the somewhat successful ones.
And the reason why Europe didn't deliver on time is because they couldn't. Their millions of already paid for vaccines that were prepared specifically for delivery to Canada and some other European countries were confiscated by the American government and taken to America. With no refunds.

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Old 05-31-2021, 01:10 PM
 
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Australia is like the bubble-boy. Safe from germs, but looks ridiculous.
Australia= 900 deaths

USA = 600,000 deaths

Which one looks more ridiculous?
 
Old 05-31-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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And the reason why Europe didn't deliver on time is because they couldn't. Their millions of already paid for vaccines that were prepared specifically for delivery to Canada and some other European countries were confiscated by the American government and taken to America. With no refunds.

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Gee, that put a muffler on the noisy ones.
 
Old 05-31-2021, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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confiscated by the American government and taken to America. .
What are you talking about? We make the vaccines. Not our fault that Canada has no biomanufacturing industry.
 
Old 05-31-2021, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Police state = when a state exists
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