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Creating the most successful nation on Earth that has uplifted the most people out of poverty, and fed more people than any other human civilization in history, and invented electricity, the automobile, trains, planes, modern medicine, antibiotics, vaccines, etc. -- ended slavery, helped to end Soviet Communism, helped to end Nazism, helped to end Imperial Japanese expansionism.
America has created more wealth, lifted more people out of poverty, and saved more lives (due to medical inventions) than probably nearly all other nations on this planet combined.
"most successful" is meaningless.
We did not invent electricity, automobile, modern medicine (penicillin came from Alexander Fleming), vaccines, or trains.
Ending slavery is not a success, everyone ended slavery as well. Ending the USSR was a US geopolitical goal. We defeated an enemy, that is all. World War 2? Is that all?
We are the most powerful, but there is always a 'most powerful country.'
China has an ancient civilization that utilized vaccines in the ancient period. America is just a hodgepodge of immigrants looking to get rich and will collapse once we are no longer an empire.
The persons who were involved in that riot weren't progressives. Progressivism was not a thing in 1920s Oklahoma. And the Progressive Era was over by WWI.
Progressivism certainly was a thing in 1920’s.
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What is tricky for progressives about eugenics is that most of its adherents came from the left. Around the turn of the 20th century, the movement was widely seen as a logical extension for anyone of serious socialist belief.
One thing is for sure, the kudzu-like spreading of sympathy for eugenics 125 years ago offers a cautionary tale about the dangers of elitism and moral superiority, a curse that can and does afflict both left and right, then and now.
History teaches us that insisting on solutions for other people, controlling their words, thoughts, actions and desires, judging them at every moment, asserting we know so much better than them, often comes with dangerous unintended consequences.
Nietzsche’s Übermensch. The Soviet Man. All the usual declarations of what man must become once socialism/communism cast off religions…
There were plenty of progressives who made policy. The link above even points to JMK, Sanger, et al. They were the upper echelons of society, the people to go to for answers on big questions. Would they have approved of the horrendous lynchings in Tulsa? Probably not. Would they then turn around and figure out in a quiet backroom how to set up an extinction campaign of unfit people who should be kept out of the gene pool? It certainly appears that way. Even Sanger is being dropped (read: cancelled).
I agree with you that they were probably not progressives, not sure either of their messages would have differed much in their final results. The tone was already set by decades of “thinkers.”
We got the science of evolution and mucked it up pretty bad. Of course that seems to be true for many scientific breakthroughs. That hardly condemns science though but it is certainly a reason to question the motives of the upper echelon of philosophers who may be trying to pass off a psychopathic ideology to society.
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Nietzsche’s Übermensch. The Soviet Man. All the usual declarations of what man must become once socialism/communism cast off religions…
There were plenty of progressives who made policy. The link above even points to JMK, Sanger, et al. They were the upper echelons of society, the people to go to for answers on big questions. Would they have approved of the horrendous lynchings in Tulsa? Probably not. Would they then turn around and figure out in a quiet backroom how to set up an extinction campaign of unfit people who should be kept out of the gene pool? It certainly appears that way. Even Sanger is being dropped (read: cancelled).
I agree with you that they were probably not progressives, not sure either of their messages would have differed much in their final results. The tone was already set by decades of “thinkers.”
We got the science of evolution and mucked it up pretty bad. Of course that seems to be true for many scientific breakthroughs. That hardly condemns science though but it is certainly a reason to question the motives of the upper echelon of philosophers who may be trying to pass off a psychopathic ideology to society.
1) That article was published in 2020.
2) That article said nothing about the 1920s.
3) 125 years ago was in the late 1890s, not the 1920s.
And something else. You have not proven that Progressivism had anything to do with the Tulsa riot of 1921.
This is the same place that shrugs at people storming the Capital on January 6th while using BLM as a shield for why it was acceptable behavior.
Exactly.
Talk about removing Confederate monuments, they’ll shriek “we must remember” or “history must be preserved.”
Talk about this and other similar incidents and it’s all “let it go.”
History in this country has been whitewashed, pun intended.
Lots would prefer it remain that way.
Exactly.
Talk about removing Confederate monuments, they’ll shriek “we must remember” or “history must be preserved.”
Talk about this and other similar incidents and it’s all “let it go.”
History in this country has been whitewashed, pun intended.
Lots would prefer it remain that way.
Confederate monuments were built during two key periods of American history: the beginnings of Jim Crow in the 1920s & the civil rights movement in the early 1950s & 1960s.
It wasn’t about Nietzsche’s Übermensch, nor the Soviet Man nor Communism nor anything else, not then, not now.
Confederate monuments were built during two key periods of American history: the beginnings of Jim Crow in the 1920s & the civil rights movement in the early 1950s & 1960s.
It wasn’t about Nietzsche’s Übermensch, nor the Soviet Man nor Communism nor anything else, not then, not now.
They don't deserve monuments because they lost.
But was Beauregard a bad person?
PGT was a great man regardless of the intent of those who would build a statue in his honor. Better than 99% of the world population.
Most of the world (now and then) was/is made up of peasants, poor uneducated trash, racists, warlords, gang leaders, corrupt patriarchs, materialistic women, pedophiles, anarchists, dictators, politicians, slaves, savages, imperialists, and nihilists.
PGT was compared to them a great human being. Honorable, noble, and made the best out of an impossible situation. Best man in Louisiana history.
I'm surprised a conservative newspaper would run this story. Are white people jealous of successful blacks, and why hasn't there been another successful black neighborhood since?
It wasn’t jealousy. It took years to build this area, and contributed considerably to the economic prosperity of the city of Tulsa and the state of OK. The events were, a black guy was accused of a sexual assault on an underaged white girl, the accused was arrested, and a mob of black guys went to make sure this guy arrested was not going to be lynched. Something happened when a white guy, or white guys tried to disarm a black man about ready to fire his weapon. Ten white guys ended up getting killed, and two black guys got killed. This is what started the massacre. Years before that, Black Wall Street had no tension with the rest of the city.
Number two--there wasn't even much evidence that any kind of assault had occurred at all.
The Tulsa Tribune, a white-owned newspaper in the city, immediately ran with the idea that a Black man had tried to assault a white girl inside an elevator, even though there was little evidence this had occurred, according to Ellsworth. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...check-n1269045
Why would she lie?
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