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There was no gallantry to the old south. It was a criminal enterprise from day one based on theft, oppression, terror, and cruelty.
That is because the nihilism has been normalized today. Beauregard grew up with black children and fought for their suffrage. People today are money-grubbing opportunist who run a criminal enterprise with the pretense of family/success/righteousness.
Those people are the ones who reign with terror. Beauregard lived in a world with no segregation and where people believed in something enough to die for.
That was ended by the long terror. How can accuse him of being wrong? He fought President Davis and stood up for his own values, compare that to Lincoln who oppressed the natives and the southerners.
You are a libertarian who worships nihilism, how can you or anyone else compare to PGT?
That is because the nihilism has been normalized today. Beauregard grew up with black children and fought for their suffrage. People today are money-grubbing opportunist who run a criminal enterprise with the pretense of family/success/righteousness.
Those people are the ones who reign with terror. Beauregard lived in a world with no segregation and where people believed in something enough to die for.
That was ended by the long terror. How can accuse him of being wrong? He fought President Davis and stood up for his own values, compare that to Lincoln who oppressed the natives and the southerners.
You are a libertarian who worships nihilism, how can you or anyone else compare to PGT?
Beauregard was one man. The slaveholding south was a vast criminal enterprise. By the way, Beauregard's great great grandson (or something like that) is a friend of mine and a great harmonica player. Here's a sample of his work.
That came from reconstruction. Before the war there was no segregation in the south. Segregation and racial hatred is what created the nadir.
People like Beauregard who fought for their homes committed a minor terror, the north committed the long terror.
I remain indifferent to your Beau.
His fraternization with the creator of the Lost Cause mythologies, Jubal Early, leaves me cold. Additionally, he was as untrustworthy as they come.
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Beauregard wrote letters to his friend John Slidell, expressing his opinion of the emancipated black population. He wrote that colored people were inferior, ignorant, and indolent. He predicted that "in seventy-five years the colored race would disappear from America along with the Indians and the buffalo."
That is because the nihilism has been normalized today. Beauregard grew up with black children and fought for their suffrage. People today are money-grubbing opportunist who run a criminal enterprise with the pretense of family/success/righteousness.
Those people are the ones who reign with terror. Beauregard lived in a world with no segregation and where people believed in something enough to die for.
That was ended by the long terror. How can accuse him of being wrong? He fought President Davis and stood up for his own values, compare that to Lincoln who oppressed the natives and the southerners.
You are a libertarian who worships nihilism, how can you or anyone else compare to PGT?
How do you reconcile your fondness for the confederacy with your disdain for libertarianism?
The Rancid Abraham Lincoln–Haters of the Libertarian Right
The small but foul pro-Confederacy strain on the right has proven stubbornly perverse
That came from reconstruction. Before the war there was no segregation in the south. Segregation and racial hatred is what created the nadir.
People like Beauregard who fought for their homes committed a minor terror, the north committed the long terror.
Before the war there was slavery. After the War, there was:
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Slavery by Another Name is a 90-minute documentary that challenges one of Americans’ most cherished assumptions: the belief that slavery in this country ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. The film tells how even as chattel slavery came to an end in the South in 1865, thousands of African Americans were pulled back into forced labor with shocking force and brutality. It was a system in which men, often guilty of no crime at all, were arrested, compelled to work without pay, repeatedly bought and sold, and coerced to do the bidding of masters. Tolerated by both the North and South, forced labor lasted well into the 20th century.
From the Tulsa Race Riot: A Report by the Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921:
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The Grand Jury and the Failure of Prosecutions
Just as the legal system had failed to provide a vehicle for recovery by Greenwood residents and property owners, the legal system failed to hold Tulsans criminally responsible for the reign of terror during the riot.
"While African Americans were often the recipients of the political intimidation, beatings, and other forms of violence meted out by klansmen, they were not the only targets of the new reign of terror. Klan members also regularly attacked Jews, Catholics, Japanese Americans, and immigrants from southern Europe, as well as suspected bootleggers, adulterers, and other alleged criminals.27"
1) The natives weren't genocided, there are millions still alive today.
2) The Europeans/Africans who came over added more diversity to the Americas, and diversity is our greatest strength!
3) At that time, blacks were not considered to be fully conscious, thinking human-beings -- they were equated with animals, which is why they were not given the same freedoms at the time.
4) The mass produced automobile was created by Henry Ford, he gave birth to the auto industry.
5) The small pox and polio vaccines were invented in the U.S... Penicillin was invented in the U.S.
6) The airplane was invented in the U.S., as was harnessing electricity for personal and industrial use (alternating current was invented by Tesla)
7) Tell me about the 1 million Uighurs being held in China's "re-education camps".
1) Genocide doesn't require killing anyone.
2) Diversity is terrible, and you agree.
3) They were seen as intellectually and morally inferior. That they were better off as slaves than free. That they could not live with whites without perpetual conflict. And that they couldn't be trusted to vote for the common interests.
4) You claimed the automobile was invented by Americans, it wasn't. The assembly line was, but it was invented by Ransom E. Olds(Oldsmobile), not Henry Ford. Nor did Henry Ford birth the car industry, but his innovations drove down the price and made them affordable for more than just rich people.
5) Technically the smallpox vaccine was developed by the British Doctor, Edward Jenner, in 1796. Penicillin by a Scottish scientist, Alexander Fleming, in 1928. But yes, the Polio vaccine was developed at the University of Pittsburgh in 1952.
6) As I said, the airplane is debatable. A lot of people believe Benjamin Franklin invented electricity, but did he? As for Tesla, he was technically Serbian, but he did move here at the age of 28. Tesla didn't invent alternating-current, although he made many innovations that were instrumental in its adoption. In that way, he is to electricity what Henry Ford is to cars.
7) China is genociding the Uyghurs through cultural destruction and genetic assimilation.
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Look at any grocery store in America, they're stocked to the brim with every type of food/beverage imaginable. Compare that to grocery stores in Cuba or Venezuela that are mostly empty.
The problem here is that we have children and young adults raised in a modern environment who have absolutely no clue what life was like 100 years ago, much less 30 years ago. They're totally oblivious to the wealth & riches that surround them.
Americans know how much stuff they have, it just doesn't make them happy. There are a variety of reasons for this. A lot of it has to do with inequality, but some of it is that they feel like they're under the yoke of their employers, and that work/life doesn't feel meaningful, among other things.
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Even a poor American today has access to more resources than Napoleon or the King of England did 200 years ago.
So Napoleon would rather be living in a modern ghetto than his France? I hate this ignorant argument by conservatives because it presupposes that the only end to life is more stuff.
Americans could be twice as rich as they are now, and if anything they would be less happy, more drug-addicted, more suicidal, more lonely, etc.
Its not about guilt, its about our history and how we got to this point. The effort to destroy Black communities did not end 100 years ago.
Take for example Richmond VA. When a person drives on I-95/I-64 they see desolation on the north side of downtown. It wasn't always that way. When the interstates were put in, they were placed through Jackson Ward - a thriving Black community. The interstates destroyed businesses, churches, homes - 100 years of wealth built up since emancipation. As for the homes which weren't destroyed, who wants to live in a house which is next to an interstate by the rear door? It destroyed that wealth also.
Then a decade later when 146 and 195 were put in as an expressway, the original plan was to put it on the south side of the James River as a parkway. Instead, it was put in north of the James River and again destroying a middle class Black neighborhood that had been built up since the 1920's.
Richmond is still dealing with the fallout of these decisions made when Blacks could not serve on the planning commissions.
One thing I think people need to do is to stop calling what happened in Tulsa a "riot". What happened in Tulsa is akin to what this country did in Hiroshima. It was an act of domestic terrorism that not one single person has been held accountable for.
When white people clutch their pearls when its said that America is a racist country....these are the kinds of events that prove the point. And the reactions ("it was 100 years ago, let it go") is adding insult to injury.
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