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Old 06-02-2021, 07:54 PM
 
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When blacks returned from serving during the 1st world war they were expected to go back in time.

Some in the Tulsa Black Wall Street area were not about to.

Allegations of a black man making advances on a white woman were the excuse for many of these massacres.
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Old 06-02-2021, 08:09 PM
 
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They don't deserve monuments because they lost.

But was Beauregard a bad person?

PGT was a great man regardless of the intent of those who would build a statue in his honor. Better than 99% of the world population.

Most of the world (now and then) was/is made up of peasants, poor uneducated trash, racists, warlords, gang leaders, corrupt patriarchs, materialistic women, pedophiles, anarchists, dictators, politicians, slaves, savages, imperialists, and nihilists.

PGT was compared to them a great human being. Honorable, noble, and made the best out of an impossible situation. Best man in Louisiana history.
I’m indifferent to him; what qualities make him honorable & noble? He fought to protect, preserve, & expand the right to own people as property.
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Old 06-02-2021, 08:16 PM
 
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I’m indifferent to him; what qualities make him honorable & noble? He fought to protect, preserve, & expand the right to own people as property.
He did not choose how he was born. He was friends with black children, he fought for black confederate soldiers, after the war he promoted black suffrage.

He literally had noble French and Italian blood. He fought to protect his home, not expand slavery. He wanted an end to slavery more than Lincoln.

He was one of the greatest human beings, kind, loyal, and brave. He fought some of the greatest battles outnumbered, and even when his cause was lost.

Compare him to the humbug in suburban America, the spoiled children, the hood rats, the imperialists, the brain dead politicians, the corrupt lobbyists, the imperialists like Lincoln and Roosevelt, the war criminals, the teachers, plumbers, hedge fund managers, goons, dictators, and 'activists'.

He is better than them all. Who in America can compare to PGT today? All of them are corrupt, money-grubbing devils.
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Old 06-02-2021, 08:28 PM
 
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He did not choose how he was born. He was friends with black children, he fought for black confederate soldiers, after the war he promoted black suffrage.

He literally had noble French and Italian blood. He fought to protect his home, not expand slavery. He wanted an end to slavery more than Lincoln.

He was one of the greatest human beings, kind, loyal, and brave. He fought some of the greatest battles outnumbered, and even when his cause was lost.

Compare him to the humbug in suburban America, the spoiled children, the hood rats, the imperialists, the brain dead politicians, the corrupt lobbyists, the imperialists like Lincoln and Roosevelt, the war criminals, the teachers, plumbers, hedge fund managers, goons, dictators, and 'activists'.

He is better than them all. Who in America can compare to PGT today? All of them are corrupt, money-grubbing devils.
I remain indifferent to him.

Between 1526 & 1867, more than 12.5 million people were enslaved.

Roughly 2% of the population, an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the American Civil War. Taken as a percentage of today's population, the toll would have risen as high as 6 million lives.
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Old 06-02-2021, 08:41 PM
 
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I remain indifferent to him.

Roughly 2% of the population, an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the American Civil War. Taken as a percentage of today's population, the toll would have risen as high as 6 million lives.
One should not cling so desperately to life, everyone dies eventually. PGT defended his home with honor rather than bow to the invader.

He believed in something. People today would lay down their arms for a pack of skittles. Are such people even alive?

"THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves." - Mark Twain.
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Old 06-02-2021, 09:00 PM
 
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One should not cling so desperately to life, everyone dies eventually. PGT defended his home with honor rather than bow to the invader.

He believed in something. People today would lay down their arms for a pack of skittles. Are such people even alive?

"THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves." - Mark Twain.
The passage in question is from the thirteenth chapter of “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court.” It points out that there were two “Reigns of Terror” in France; that the evils of the “minor Terror,” that of the Revolution, have been made much of, although they lasted only a few months, and caused the death of only ten thousand persons; whereas there was another, “an older and real Terror,” which had lasted a thousand years, and brought death to hundreds of millions of persons. We consider it horrible that people should have their heads cut off, but we have not been taught to see the horror of the life-long death which is inflicted upon a whole population by poverty and tyranny).

The American Civil War lasted a few years; the Atlantic Slave Trade lasted centuries.
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Old 06-02-2021, 09:13 PM
 
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Incidents such as the Tulsa Race Massacre extended the reign of terror.
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Old 06-02-2021, 09:13 PM
 
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The passage in question is from the thirteenth chapter of “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court.” It points out that there were two “Reigns of Terror” in France; that the evils of the “minor Terror,” that of the Revolution, have been made much of, although they lasted only a few months, and caused the death of only ten thousand persons; whereas there was another, “an older and real Terror,” which had lasted a thousand years, and brought death to hundreds of millions of persons. We consider it horrible that people should have their heads cut off, but we have not been taught to see the horror of the life-long death which is inflicted upon a whole population by poverty and tyranny).

The American Civil War lasted a few years; the Atlantic Slave Trade lasted centuries.
The Atlantic Slave trade was over before the Civil war.

The cold/industrious north worked to destroy the gallantry of the old south.

The civil war last a few years, it was a minor terror for those who wanted to protect their homes. What would you have them do, surrender?

PGT supported blacks more than Lincoln, how can you denigrate this wonderful human being?

Americans today don't understand the will to fight for something anymore. Beauregard did.
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Old 06-02-2021, 09:15 PM
 
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Incidents such as the Tulsa Race Massacre extended the reign of terror.
That came from reconstruction. Before the war there was no segregation in the south. Segregation and racial hatred is what created the nadir.

People like Beauregard who fought for their homes committed a minor terror, the north committed the long terror.
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Old 06-02-2021, 09:16 PM
 
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The Atlantic Slave trade was over before the Civil war.

The cold/industrious north worked to destroy the gallantry of the old south.

The civil war last a few years, it was a minor terror for those who wanted to protect their homes. What would you have them do, surrender?

PGT supported blacks more than Lincoln, how can you denigrate this wonderful human being?

Americans today don't understand the will to fight for something anymore. Beauregard did.
There was no gallantry to the old south. It was a criminal enterprise from day one based on theft, oppression, terror, and cruelty.
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