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Well clearly you are a full on isolationist and I just disagree with that position. Isolationism has been discredited IMO by the history of the 20th century. While I am not a full on interventionist either I do support a wise application of US military power to promote our interests and stability in the world when necessary. I do firmly believe in NATO. My views on foreign policy do put me more in the neocon group and not the isolationist one championed by MAGA supporters. One of my greatest criticisms of Trump had to do with his treatment of our important allies and his anti NATO statements.
Your position that we are the ones who are the aggressors towards Russia I also disagree with. I live in the southeast.....just a few weeks ago this whole region ran out of gas because those friendly Russians used ransom ware to shut down the fuel pipeline suppling the entire southeast. Yes we need NATO to deter these bullies.
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LMAO! You are using the neo con talk, so you must be a neo con. It's call the Department of Defense, not the Department of Offense.
Like Neo Cons, you like to play with words to the point of lying and the public sees this B.S and thankfully the base of the GOP gets it and rejects it. You say :
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While I am not a full on interventionist either I do support a wise application of US military power to promote our interests and stability in the world when necessary.
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EXACTLY what you support, a full interventionist. What do you call invading other countries (most on B.S. reasons), paying foreign mercenaries to overthrow governments and continue these endless wars? that's the definition of interventionist and on steroids because it's never ending.
This is what Rice said to the nation in 2000:
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... America's armed forces are not a global police force. They are not the world's 911[
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She is your typical Neo Con liar that plays with words because that's the opposite of her mess of foreign policy. Then U.S. Congress subpoena her in 2004 and she declined to testify. She was subpoena again in 2007 regarding the prewar claim that Iraq sought yellowcake uranium from Niger and other lies and she declined to testify. Bush after Congress pressure allowed her to testify under oath and Rice refused. You don't want to get liars under oath because they will look like big liars and incompetent . This is how weasel Rice is. She sells this war and mismanages the biggest military blunder in U.S. history but she refused to testify under oath about her words and actions but this is the person you want running the country? thanks for the laugh.
One more time, NATO was formed after WW 2 to deal with the Soviet Union and the Cold War. Neither doesn't exist today. If Europe wants to fully fund NATO they can it's their money, their borders and their countries but We shouldn't take the load of NATO. Do you understand that We shouldn't nation build other countries on the backs of the American taxpayers?
NATO: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom and the United States. The other member countries are: Greece and Turkey , Germany , Spain , the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland , Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia , Albania and Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia.
So your Neo Con argument is We Americans must keep pumping endless money and military power and take the load and continue these endless wars and endless occupations because Russia is a threat to the alliance of 30 nations that 3 Super Powers make nuclear weapons and 5 other NATO countries host nuclear weapons? LMAO!
Only Neo Cons believe that our foreign policy is not aggression. They believe in their own B.S. Our country invades and overthrow governments based on B.S. reasons but that's not aggression. Our government pays foreign fighters to commit terrorism to overthrow governments and to weaken their economies but that's not aggression. Our government bombs other countries back to the stone ages but that's not aggression.
You are an example, after 18 years you just said you can still find reasons to invade Iraq and continue these mess of foreign policy. You neo cons live on fantasy land. Like Rice, they build a world of lies around them but testify under oath in Congress to back up her b.s.? that's like Holy Water to the Devil.
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