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Old 12-27-2020, 04:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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They are hired to protect all your rights, but when they try to take them while on the roadway, seldom do passive coward brainwashed and ignorant people object....

Then there is that one guy that will not submit to the road pirates.
Listen how scared the cop is at the end, what he just learned.....
Very EDUCATIONAL!
Learn your rights and always video the police.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPCMEUAgVns
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Old 12-31-2020, 12:45 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3meQT_9FKi0


Just this Christmas Eve, Colorado.
Cop wanted none of that.
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Old 12-31-2020, 01:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Too funny....
No crime and the Police State is on him.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Gr2IWOghU
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Old 12-31-2020, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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you try that chit in florida and you'll get tased, thrown in the back of a cop car and hauled off to jail..guaranteed..
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Old 12-31-2020, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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it's simply illegal to drive on public roads in the US without a valid drivers license..been that way since 1903..that chit you're selling is bogus..
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Old 12-31-2020, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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it is illegal to drive a motor vehicle in the US without a valid drivers license, a valid registration card, and current proof of insurance..here's how it works in the real world..


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Old 12-31-2020, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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you try that chit in florida and you'll get tased, thrown in the back of a cop car and hauled off to jail..guaranteed..
The same as most states.
It's a case of "Talk to me here or we can go talk to the judge in the county courthouse."

I actually refused once. I had to take a 100-mile detour, blew out several hours waiting with the cop in the judge's chambers, and in the end, still had to cough up a $75 fine for a speeding ticket that was 3 mph over the limit.
I was polite throughout, as were they, but it still cost me over a half-day of valuable vacation time and some money.
I would have been ahead by just taking the speeding ticket and sending off a check in the mail after I came home again later on.

You never have to cooperate with the law, but the law doesn't have to make it easy for you either.
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Old 12-31-2020, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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you try that chit in florida and you'll get tased, thrown in the back of a cop car and hauled off to jail..guaranteed..
Tennessee as well. And you might 'trip and bang your nose (accidentally of course)' between your vehicle and the cruiser.
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Old 12-31-2020, 03:52 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I'm all for individual liberty. In fact, you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who is more in favor of it than I am. But that individual liberty ends when your "liberty" begins infringing on the liberty of others or endangering others. Reckless driving and speeding is endangering others. A minimal understanding of physics and statistics is all it takes to understand that fact. Thant being the case, I cannot support reckless driving and speeding. It certainly is not "freedom." You have no right to do it. I've nearly been killed twice because of your "freedom" to drive like a nut. Truth is you don't have that "freedom" and if you think you do, you don't understand the difference between anarchy and liberty. With freedom comes responsibility. With anarchy comes irresponsibility.
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Old 01-01-2021, 08:38 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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it's simply illegal to drive on public roads in the US without a valid drivers license..been that way since 1903..that chit you're selling is bogus..
The examples shown, are not of people driving.....

Definitions:
Article 6, Clauses 2 & 3: US Constitution and Federal Law, is the supreme Law of the Land.

USC Title 18, § 31 9(6) - Definition of "Motor Vehicle":
"The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers and property, or property or cargo."

USC Title 18, § 31(10) - Definition of "Commercial Purposes":
"The term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of the persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking for profit."

May the state change the definition of a word or term (MOTOR VEHICLE) from the original meaning (USC Title 18, § 31 (6) to another definition to fit their own needs? NO:
CRAIG v. MISSOURI, U S 29, 410





RIGHTS:
Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property ... and is regarded as inalienable." 16 C.J.S., Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987

"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law." Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.; Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution, Pg. 777

"Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitations of its charter. Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation. There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and find out whether it has exceeded its powers. It would be a strange anomaly to hold that the State, having chartered a corporation to make use of certain franchises, could not in exercise of its sovereignty inquire how those franchises had been employed, and whether they had been abused, and demand the production of corporate books and papers for that purpose." Hale v. HINKEL, 201 US 43, 74-75

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." MIRANDA v. ARIZONA, 384 US 436, 491

and ...

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime." MILLER v. U.S., 230 F. 486, 489

and ...

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional Rights." SNERER v. CULLEN, 481 F. 946

"The use of the highways for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common and fundamental Right of which the public and the individual cannot be rightfully deprived." CHICAGO MOTOR COACH v. CHICAGO, 169 NE 22?1; LIGARE v. CHICAGO, 28 NE 934; BOON v. CLARK, 214 SSW 607; 25 Am.Jur. (1st) Highways Sect.163

and ...

"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city can prohibit or permit at will, but a common Right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." THOMPSON v. SMITH, 154 SE 579

TRAVEL
The term "travel" is a significant term and is defined as:

"The term 'travel' and 'traveler' are usually construed in their broad and general sense ... so as to include all those who rightfully use the highways viatically (when being reimbursed for expenses) and who have occasion to pass over them for the purpose of business, convenience, or pleasure." 25 Am.Jur. (1st) Highways, Sect.427, Pg. 717

"Traveler -- One who passes from place to place, whether for pleasure, instruction, business, or health." Locket vs. State, 47 Ala. 45; Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Pg. 3309

"Travel -- To journey or to pass through or over; as a country district, road, etc. To go from one place to another, whether on foot, or horseback, or in any conveyance as a train, an automobile, carriage, ship, or aircraft; Make a journey." Century Dictionary, Pg. 2034

Therefore, the term "travel" or "traveler" refers to one who uses a conveyance to go from one place to another, and included all those who use the highways as a matter of Right.

Notice that in all these definitions, the phrase "for hire" never occurs. This term "travel" or "traveler" implies, by definition, one who uses the road as a means to move from one place to another.

Therefore, one who uses the road in the ordinary course of life and business for the purpose of travel and transportation is a traveler.

DRIVER
The term "driver" in contradistinction to "traveler," is defined as:

"Driver -- One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle ..." Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Pg. 940

Notice that this definition includes one who is "employed" in conducting a vehicle. It should be self-evident that this individual could not be "travelling" on a journey, but is using the road as a place of business.

OPERATOR
Today we assume that a "traveler" is a "driver," and a "driver" is an "operator." However, this is not the case.

"It will be observed from the language of the ordinance that a distinction is to be drawn between the terms `operator' and `driver'; the `operator' of the service car being the person who is licensed to have the car on the streets in the business of carrying passengers for hire; while the `driver' is the one who actually drives the car. However, in the actual prosecution of business, it was possible for the same person to be both "operator" and "driver." Newbill vs. Union Indemnity Co., 60 SE.2d 658

To further clarify the definition of an "operator" the court observed that this was a vehicle "for hire" and that it was in the business of carrying passengers.

This definition would seem to describe a person who is using the road as a place of business, or in other words, a person engaged in the "privilege" of using the road for gain.

This definition, then, is a further clarification of the distinction mentioned earlier, and therefore:

Travelling upon and transporting one's property upon the public roads as a matter of Right meets the definition of a traveler.
Using the road as a place of business as a matter of privilege meets the definition of a driver or an operator or both.


SURRENDER OF RIGHTS
A Citizen cannot be forced to give up his/her Rights in the name of regulation.

"... the only limitations found restricting the right of the state to condition the use of the public highways as a means of vehicular transportation for compensation are (1) that the state must not exact of those it permits to use the highways for hauling for gain that they surrender any of their inherent U.S. Constitutional Rights as a condition precedent to obtaining permission for such use ..." Riley vs. Laeson, 142 So. 619; Stephenson vs. Binford, supra.

If one cannot be placed in a position of being forced to surrender Rights in order to exercise a privilege, how much more must this maxim of law, then, apply when one is simply exercising (putting into use) a Right?

Hoke vs. Henderson, 15 NC 15

and ...

"We find it intolerable that one Constitutional Right should have to be surrendered in order to assert another." Simons vs. United States, 390 US 389

Since the state requires that one give up Rights in order to exercise the privilege of driving, the regulation cannot stand under the police power, due process, or regulation, but must be exposed as a statute which is oppressive and one which has been misapplied to deprive the Citizen of Rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution and the state constitutions.
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