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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
An officer needs to have reasonable suspicion the target is carrying and was involved in a crime, no?
In the gang infested areas of Chicago it is reasonable to assume nearly everyone is carrying, legal or otherwise.
Street gun battles are relatively common in some areas.
More than 11,000 firearms were recovered in Chicago, last year.
It's not just guns. There are a myriad of different reasons a stop can be made. It all comes down to articulation.
I would answer your first question by quoting another responder with an excellent point. Scarabchuck wrote, "This may be, but do we want to see a stop to senseless shootings or don't we ?
And again, I'll ask what other [insert justification here] do you want to "stop" by what kinds of rights violation? Where is the bar? You want to randomly subject people to a colonoscopy to ensure they're not body packing heroin? Well do we want to see a stop to senseless drug deaths or don't we?
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I see so many that are so against stop and frisk due to violation of rights, yet they are perfectly fine with seeing the 2A being chipped way at."
WRONG! I can't speak for everyone, but I'm strongly against both!
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The question is, don't we already have random searches by the authorities? At the airport we have the TSA patting down grandma in her wheelchair so as not to offend or violate anyone's Rights even though we all know that hijackers fit a certain profile and it is not grandma.
For one, it isn't random. I've literally NEVER been searched by the tsa, and never will be. For two, that doesn't mean that that's right either. If I had it my way, all of tsa's blue shirts would be locked up in gitmo tomorrow with the gate welded shut behind them! Just because we're letting morons violate our rights for a long time, doesn't mean it's right, nor does it mean that we can let them do more.
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There is of course a level of suspicion when it comes to the cops stopping someone. It could be a car load of young men cruising around in the middle of the night. They might be completely innocent but then again they could be drunk or high or looking for trouble.
So? Until their content reaches a violation of a law, they should be left alone.
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In my case on the resort island I couldn't hear the exchange but the guys complied to the officers request for ID. I suppose if they were black and not white in today's heated and angry world that the guys could have viewed the cops request as racial profiling and suddenly there is an issue that involves chips on shoulders but this exchange was many years ago before all this racist nonsense swept the country
Not necessarily. It's possible the officer knew the limits and would have just said "have a nice day" and not begun a non-consensual encounter.
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I still say the cop did well to ask the guys for an ID. He was looking out for the community. If those guys were underage would they have dropped the beer and run? Who knows but it is highly unlikely they would have fought him to avoid arrest.
You don't have to fight them to know your rights and stand up for them. Maybe you should browse YouTube's first amendment auditors. Most of them are pretty good. A few are nothing more than screaming idiots looking for a fight. But they demonstrate quite well how to stand up for your rights with the police without escalating anything and they always win, either during the encounter, or in court.
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I still say that only the guilty that have something to hide are opposed to stop and frisk.
Wow, that's your attitude? That would go well in some place like the communists occupying China, or North Korea or Iran or some other dystopian nightmare.
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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You are not getting rid of guns that are already illegal so without the cops trying to fix it it's simple. Enjoy the continued shootings.
Exactly. Bringing in the ATF fixes nothing at all. This is such a joke. I swear DeBlasio intentionally destroyed NYC. The criminals rule and the victims have no justice!
Exactly. Bringing in the ATF fixes nothing at all. This is such a joke. I swear DeBlasio intentionally destroyed NYC. The criminals rule and the victims have no justice!
No ATF agent is going to be a beat cop. They don't usually even get out of an unmarked car.
Well it was a fun experiment while it lasted but hey NYC how is that defunding the Police going?
Gun crimes are up in NYC and the Mayor is bringing in the ATF to work with and "deputize" Police officers so they will be able to work as Federal agents.
It's going as planned for the liberal elites.
They want the feds running the local police forces. That has always been their goal.
Watch the ATF turn law abiding citizens into felons!!!!!
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