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Old 07-10-2021, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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As a voter I don’t know how any Catholic could deal with that level of hypocrisy. I voted for Biden because I recognized that Trump had to go and I never believed he was anything other than a New York Democrat in GOP disguise anyway. Otherwise I vote pro life and pro Christian family values as little good as it does living in this Democrat purgatory
All Christians are hypocrites. I include myself in that declaration.
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Old 07-10-2021, 04:03 PM
 
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... I voted for Biden because I recognized that Trump had to go and I never believed he was anything other than a New York Democrat in GOP disguise anyway. Otherwise I vote pro life and pro Christian family values as little good as it does living in this Democrat purgatory
I was raised a Catholic and was devout for many decades, then in my fifties I became Orthodox, which is like Roman Catholic on steroids. It has nothing to do with this topic but I feel I should disclose that here.

I am pro-life, always was and always will be. Abortion is murder.

Roe vs Wade somehow became the law of the land, and our public servants need to be cognizant of that. The law is the law and we can not let the exercise of our religion interfere with how we conduct ourselves in public office. If abortion is legal there isn't a damn thing we can do about it as functionaries of the government. We follow the law.

So this is a dilemma for any Catholic, or Orthodox Christian, in government.

It is also inappropriate for any church to try to impose it's morality on the nation, or coerce the government. That's politics, and churches have no place in that, just as government has no place meddling in religion.

Churches should put their efforts into teaching the people, so that they will not want to go out and seek abortions. Making it illegal doesn't deter the practice, it just makes it more dangerous. Churches can't off-load their responsibility on the government, if churches expect the government to do their job they are capitulating their role in society. It won't work, simply making abortions illegal will not solve the problem.

Legal or not, there will continue to be millions of abortions until the people just don't want to do that anymore. And given the very low credibility of churches today (nearly all of them) I don't expect the churches to be very successful convincing the mass of people to stop aborting their children. They have shot their wads.

Anyone who wants to learn more about traditional Christian moral values, especially from a Catholic perspective, should read 'Catholic Social Teaching', I have the bound volume but it is available online. Studying that one learns that neither of the major parties represent Christian values very well, but surprising to some the Democrats get it right more often than the Republicans.
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Old 07-10-2021, 04:36 PM
 
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Can you be a Democrat and oppose abortion and gay marriage?
Sure. Several democratic party leaders oppose abortion. But they know it's not up to them. So they support the law of the land.
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Old 07-10-2021, 04:42 PM
 
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He did what, now?
He probably really believes that God created the border.
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Old 07-10-2021, 06:02 PM
 
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He probably really believes that God created the border.
Yeah, that was a hoot. I never saw that coming.
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Old 07-10-2021, 06:10 PM
 
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How is the worse than Biden saying you can’t be black and if you don’t support me????
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Old 07-10-2021, 09:30 PM
 
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Then they should pay taxes.
Just like PBS should when they have so many political shows.
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Old 07-10-2021, 09:31 PM
 
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Just like PBS should when they have so many political shows.
agreed.
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Old 07-10-2021, 09:35 PM
 
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Nice, but inaccurate twist, in your phrasing. There is no problem with LEGAL immigration. So let me help you out.

BUT. most Republicans believe that we shouldn't be welcoming to illegal aliens,

You will find that it is Churches and religious organizations, which if you believe the Liberal Media, is mainly made up of "Radical" Conservatives are often the ones who are helping these people anyways.




Yes, if you want to separate government and religion you should start here. Many immigrants are sent to churches to take care of.
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Old 07-10-2021, 09:39 PM
 
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And shame on Catholic Charities for enabling human trafficking.
Well Biden is the cartel's biggest friend. He allows them to run roughshod over the whole thing.

After Biden lets them into the country they need to let the children go somewhere. I agree, the church should tell Biden no more kids being endangered here but will he listen?
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