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Old 07-13-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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Deflection from anything I stated in the post you quoted aside....

"Positively sourced" like the sworn affidavit submitted by the Kraken team in MI that claims they saw: "two people hand plastic bags to Postal Service workers in Detroit and 'considered' that they could have been improperly submitting ballots"? That sort of positively sourced?

As I told you in that thread - pull out a couple of examples that you find compelling and we can chat. I have no interest in sifting through the unsubtantiated claims of whackos like the above example.
You'll need to address every anomaly.

Otherwise you're in no position to defend your idea that there is no factual basis to Trumpists' claims of electoral fraud.

You can begin anywhere you want, starting with the statistical entries.
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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It's hard for me to take any of the establishment seriously because of their behavior. These lists about Trump objectively being the worst president are quite frankly ridiculous. They can't see beyond their own self bias and collectivist mentality.
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:45 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You'll need to address every anomaly, so it's pointless pulling the same excuses as before.

Remember, your position is that there is no factual basis to Trumpists' claims of fraud. If you want to defend that statement, the onus is on you to address every claim. You can begin anywhere you want, beginning with the statistical entries.

If you don't want to be gish-galloped, don't make remarks you can't defend.

I expect you'll run away again, citing some other unconvincing excuse.


Present a couple of examples that you feel are factual basis. I'll be happy to proceed from there.

It is refreshing that you acknowledge the Trump supporters are engaging in gish galloping, however.
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Except for Antrim County's SNAFU with the software patch, no, none of it "actually happened".
Right, we'll just take your word for it.
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:50 PM
 
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The most egregious thing is the Democrat's legitimization of violence. That is the reason they either looked away or supported the riots. It was an election year so they allowed the burning, assaults and murders, knowing the "message" it would send. And it worked.

The Party moved from Liar to Brute.
Are you saying the Democrats support the violence done to our United States Capital?
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:59 PM
 
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Present a couple of examples that you feel are factual basis. I'll be happy to proceed from there.

It is refreshing that you acknowledge the Trump supporters are engaging in gish galloping, however.
Gish galloping is a debating ploy, so it's specific to our discussion rather than a general Trumpist ruse.

You'll need to get through the whole list, so begin at the top.

The first material entry reads: 4,700 of Georga's Absentee Votes tied to non-residential addresses.
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Old 07-13-2021, 01:21 PM
 
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I will never believe that it was a fair election....
We don't expect you to.

Some people just don't get it. No one is going to waste any bandwidth trying to convince you, but we will always challenge you if you try to spread the Great Lie.

You (as we all) have a right to an opinion ... our own opinion. But no one has a right to to spread unfounded lies off the internet, whether they come from a disgraced former president or from some in-cel in his mother's basement or from some anonymous opinion article somewhere.
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Old 07-13-2021, 01:21 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Gish galloping is a debating ploy, so it's specific to our discussion rather than a general Trumpist ruse.
I know what gish galloping is. I have not engaged in it, however. Trumpists on the other hand....

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You'll need to get through the whole list, so begin at the top.

The first material entry reads: 4,700 of Georga's Absentee Votes tied to non-residential addresses.



An unsubstantiated claim from Judicial Watch, whose President is a public Trump supporter. They cite no source data that I can find, just this:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...esidential.pdf

Which according to the document, just lists "absentee voters" per county. The doc title claims it's a list of "non-residential" ballots, but nothing further.

If that's the best you got, quit while you're behind.
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Old 07-13-2021, 01:35 PM
 
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I know what gish galloping is. I have not engaged in it, however. Trumpists on the other hand....

An unsubstantiated claim from Judicial Watch, whose President is a public Trump supporter. They cite no source data that I can find, just this:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...esidential.pdf

Which according to the document, just lists "absentee voters" per county. The doc title claims it's a list of "non-residential" ballots, but nothing further.

If that's the best you got, quit while you're behind.
Here's the primary data. https://georgiasecretaryofstate.net/...s/voter-list-1

It's not a substantive entry, with primary data behind a paywall, but disproving it will mean you need to do your own counter-analysis.

If you want anomalies with primary sources you can access straight away, start with Pennsylvania.

https://hereistheevidence.com/electi...pdate-records/
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Old 07-13-2021, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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We don't expect you to.

Some people just don't get it. No one is going to waste any bandwidth trying to convince you, but we will always challenge you if you try to spread the Great Lie.

You (as we all) have a right to an opinion ... our own opinion. But no one has a right to to spread unfounded lies off the internet, whether they come from a disgraced former president or from some in-cel in his mother's basement or from some anonymous opinion article somewhere.

I'd say the elections are fair. There is always some fraud in every election, yes the one we just had, but like Trumps AG Barr said, not enough to change the outcome. I knew this was going to happen. When Trump started in with, '' If I dont win its rigged. '' I knew we were in for a ride.
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