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Old 07-15-2021, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Simple, natural herd immunity, like what has mostly taken hold already.

 
Old 07-15-2021, 09:42 PM
 
Location: TX
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California is going back to restrictions, with other states soon to follow. Yes, it should be over, but almost half the country refuses to be vaccinated.
This is not exactly true. Children under 12 can't be vaccinated. The number refusing is closer to one-third.

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Currently, 67% of adult Americans have gotten either the first shot of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, or the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine. If you include teenagers 12 to 17 who are now eligible for Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, the national percentage of those who have gotten at least one shot is 64%.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...behind-70-goal
 
Old 07-15-2021, 09:56 PM
 
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No it doesn't. Ever noticed how hospitals are always at "97% capacity" but never actually overflow? That's because hospitals can report that e.g. 97% of X ICU beds are occupied but the media leaves out that hospitals can and routinely do scale that up to 2X no problem. Thus "hospital capacity" is a nonsense political tool.

The only time hospitals were truly in danger of overrunning was the first wave in the NYC area when caseloads were an order of magnitude higher than they are now and when we had no idea how to treat it and thought ventilators were the key, etc.

The pandemic ended two months ago and most of us are going on without you.
That appears to be what hospitals do. They add beds, staff, etc as needed. After reading from nurses about what goes on in hospitals is not reassuring. It seems hospitals are a shady business, that can hide behind privacy laws. Example. In a blog I read a nurse said that when someone tested positive for covid it was reported. Ok, good. Then they test the same person next day. And if they are positive, they report it again! Same patients reported over and over!

It seems incredibly sloppy how they vaccinate someone, and then don't closely follow up on each vaccinated person, to see how they are doing. Oh wait. If they did that, they'd have accurate data that could not be manipulated. It's mind blowing they don't have accurate follow up data after vaccine, but they do have accurate hospitalizations of those unvaccinated.

When an ER nurse was interviewed by Houston TV reporter she said they were "bringing people to the ER, with shortness of breath, chest pains...". Reporter asked "people that had the vaccine?". She said "yes".


That's exactly what Eric Clapton says happened to him. He had a severe reaction with shortness of breath.
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:14 PM
 
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Even if severe cases really are entirely among people with pre-existing conditions and the elderly, the virus still places too much of a strain on our healthcare system to simply let it go endemic. Since half the country won't accept a vaccine, what else do we do? Do we just stay locked down forever, as long as certain types of gatherings like churches aren't affected?
The vaccines are the only humane way. Without them millions more would suffer serious illnesses, hospitalizations, long term side effects and deaths.

Most seem to agree on vaccinating seniors and those at high risk. Eventually the disease will form a more chronically endemic baseline, much like Influenza. But if we don't vaccinate kids and the lower risks, IMO the disease will continue to bubble up in more significant fashion in more locales, and over a longer time frame.
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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Even if severe cases really are entirely among people with pre-existing conditions and the elderly, the virus still places too much of a strain on our healthcare system to simply let it go endemic. Since half the country won't accept a vaccine, what else do we do? Do we just stay locked down forever, as long as certain types of gatherings like churches aren't affected?
I'd say we handle this like we handle any other problems that arise in the US. We do our best to combat the situation while allowing every citizens to maintain their personal rights and freedom to choose what is best for them. Did you know that since the HIV epidemic began in the early 80's, over 700k people have died because of that virus? How about good old influenza? You know, the flu. This virus has caused on average 290-650k deaths per year for decades and decades. And when it made it's grand debut in the early 1900's, it killed about 50 million worldwide. And the list goes on and on. Nature, with or without the help of a certain lab in a certain province overseas, is constantly throwing something deadly and new at us. Yet somehow we endure, and more often than not we endure without an EUA vaccine to help us make it through. The simple fact that so many people actually have already been vaccinated against this one virus is amazing. Yet those same people could easily get the flu next year and have a really rough go of things. That is, if we aren't still calling everything Covid by the time the next flu season rolls around. Regardless, the bottom line is we must simply carry on with life just as we always have when we are faced with adversity. This vaccine is not going to keep you people safe. This vaccine is not the answer to your prayers. This vaccine is a possible defense against one virus out there that could possibly make you sick and/or kill you. Make your choice weather you want to risk possibly getting this one virus or not, and then act. That's all that needs to happen. We do not need "Covid witnesses" at our doors or vaccine mandates over our heads. Live your lives, take the steps you feel are best to keep you safe, and then mind your own business.
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:24 PM
 
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No it doesn't. Ever noticed how hospitals are always at "97% capacity" but never actually overflow? That's because hospitals can report that e.g. 97% of X ICU beds are occupied but the media leaves out that hospitals can and routinely do scale that up to 2X no problem. Thus "hospital capacity" is a nonsense political tool.

The only time hospitals were truly in danger of overrunning was the first wave in the NYC area when caseloads were an order of magnitude higher than they are now and when we had no idea how to treat it and thought ventilators were the key, etc.

The pandemic ended two months ago and most of us are going on without you.
In many places the Pandemic has palpably eased up this summer.

But some hospitals have certainly been at capacity or beyond during the Pandemic. And not only early as in NYC. Some smaller and rural hospitals didn't have the staff or expertise, and very soon had to transfer patients. Scaling up or getting new or more experienced staff in was not so quick and easy. Transfers early on were very difficult due to lack of knowledge, experience, pandemic preparedness and PPE. Distant transfers of acutely ill patients early on was a real sht show in many cases. And a large reason hospitals all over the world quickly went to pandemic protocols in March of 2020. Many referral hospitals became heavily clogged up, and then they were later forced to send their less sick patients elsewhere. Our own rural local hospital took in patients this way. This has eased up over time as hospital systems have adapted and the Pandemic has waned in most places.

Of course it may not be over.
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by rupp-certified View Post
No it doesn't. Ever noticed how hospitals are always at "97% capacity" but never actually overflow? That's because hospitals can report that e.g. 97% of X ICU beds are occupied but the media leaves out that hospitals can and routinely do scale that up to 2X no problem. Thus "hospital capacity" is a nonsense political tool.
If there is no overflow, then why did my local hospital sometimes have sick people wait in the ER for a bed to become available in the covid ward?
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:36 PM
 
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If you don't want to get the vaccine then please wear a mask to protect the kids under 12 that can't get the vaccine yet.
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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California is going back to restrictions, with other states soon to follow. Yes, it should be over, but almost half the country refuses to be vaccinated.
I'm sure against closing down businesses again. Let the people who still think COVID-19 is a nothingburger and wearing masks is a joke have the burden in proving to us that they're right. I don't care how sick they get as a result. Everybody else should still have the right to protect themselves from the virus by wearing masks for starters.'

But then I'll admit I kinda feel sorry for this gravely ill guy in his 20s who wishes he got vaccinated:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...?ocid=msedgntp
 
Old 07-15-2021, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Who said it was going to end ?

You think every person in every developing country will get vaccinated? No.

Get vaccinated, or not, but life will go on.
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