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Old 07-17-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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anyone that's paid attention to illegal immigration topics is already well-aware of your "100% hell no, send them all back" stance.

We're allowed to have our own opinions. And whether it pains you immeasurably or not, your position is way in the minority.
Some forget that the crew who wants all illegals sent home are not wiling to pay for it or even know what it would cost in time and money.

They also gladly accepted the contributions to a political party that was earned by businesses using illegal labor. Just check out the donations from Texas home builders.

My governor wants to use tax money to build a wall. But will not pass e verify or license contractors. The university did a study and discovered 1/2 the contractors inTexas are illegal. Seems rectifying that would be easier and cheaper than building a wall.
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Old 07-17-2021, 12:25 PM
 
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Why can't they use that education to benefit their own countries, improving them and thereby ending the mass exodus to the US? That would be a huge WIN/WIN for everyone!
Agreed. Obviously their countries need the benefit of educated people. It's not like we have a shortage of Americans who are educated. Also, we don't need these DACAs competing for jobs and resources against Americans. Why would they want to remain here while their parents are deported? What happened to the great family values they claim to have? I see the writing on the wall even though these DACA supporters don't seem to or are denying it. You know damned well their parents would be legalized next with the whining and gnashing of teeth about "the separation of families" thingy. Next would be the rest of the illegals here if the Democrats get their way.
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Old 07-17-2021, 12:47 PM
 
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I said this years ago that DACA is an illegal EO. I am surprised it took federal court this long to say that DACA is illegal.
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Old 07-17-2021, 12:56 PM
 
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I agree with the policy of DACA for the reasons expressed above, but accomplishing it by executive order has always been the wrong was to go about it. In some ways it victimized the DACA recipients again since it has left their legal status up in the air ever since. I truly feel for them. Like noted above and in other spots in this thread, these are not people that elected to break the law

Yet, we have leftists here who think ALL white people should pay up because SOME white people were slave owners over a hundred years ago
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Old 07-17-2021, 01:01 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Yet, we have leftists here who think ALL white people should pay up because SOME white people were slave owners over a hundred years ago
Could those White people make citizens of their Slaves, after the Union was formed, 1787 - 1789?
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Old 07-17-2021, 01:05 PM
 
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Could those White people make citizens of their Slaves, after the Union was formed, 1787 - 1789?
You post some stupid random crap that makes zero sense. Are you off your meds again?
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Old 07-17-2021, 01:33 PM
 
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Could those White people make citizens of their Slaves, after the Union was formed, 1787 - 1789?
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You post some stupid random crap that makes zero sense. Are you off your meds again?
Speaks to their freedom of choice and State rights to those who held slaves --- perhaps your meds are keeping you from reason.

"Yet, we have leftists here who think ALL white people should pay up because SOME white people were slave owners over a hundred years ago."

Did the States have a choice?

They can not make an immigrant legal today, could they make the slaves legal then?
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Old 07-17-2021, 02:01 PM
 
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It is not as simple as that. They would then have to leave the country, apply and hope for the best, possibly the visa lottery (do they still do that)?

I am not pretending this is an easy situation, but I find myself incapable of not recognizing that these people who were brought here as children - not their choice - and established lives here are in a horrible position. It's easy for someone to say, well just start the process, but that means leaving the country you have lived in essentially your whole life, for possibly years and maybe never getting an immigrant visa. It isn't as simple as just apply, go through a background check, and you receive an immigrant visa.

I find re-establishing my life in a new state hard enough, and that's by choice.

Again, I understand this is not an easy issue, but I really have a hard time not feeling for these young people and thinking that they have gotten the short end of the stick.
This argument is baloney. Their parents, illegal immigrants, are able to thrive in country of which they do not know the customs, language, laws, etc. Through out history people have moved to foreign lands and been capable of surviving. DACAs will be just fine going home.

You would think those countries governments are welcoming them back with opens arms, being that they're educated in the US and will be contributors to their society. You would think.

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Some forget that the crew who wants all illegals sent home are not wiling to pay for it or even know what it would cost in time and money.

They also gladly accepted the contributions to a political party that was earned by businesses using illegal labor. Just check out the donations from Texas home builders.

My governor wants to use tax money to build a wall. But will not pass e verify or license contractors. The university did a study and discovered 1/2 the contractors inTexas are illegal. Seems rectifying that would be easier and cheaper than building a wall.
OK, being that you know the real issue, did you write your local government telling them to implement these laws? Did you vote for the candidate wanting to do this?
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Old 07-17-2021, 02:57 PM
 
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About 75% of Americans want a Balanced Budget Amendment, preventing the Federal Government from deficit spending except in the most extreme of emergencies. The Federal government refuses to do this.
About 70% of Americans want the government to do a lot more to stop illegal immigration. The Federal government has never delivered on this and has obstructed endlessly.

How many more things can we list where the American People want X and the federal government refuses to deliver? Seems to happen a lot.
About that percent supports voter ID so....
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Old 07-17-2021, 03:57 PM
 
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It would be a lot cheaper to pay for illegals to be sent home than allowing them to remain here.

Both Republicans and Democrats use cheap, illegal labor. Stop the BS that it's only Republicans that do!

If Texas builds their wall most illegals won't be able to get into their state to work so I'm not getting the point. E-verify will not stop the employers from paying their illegal workers in cash either, thus the wall. The employers do need to be held accountable but that's no reason to stop building the wall! Criminals, drug runners and terrorists aren't looking for work either.
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