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Old 12-01-2021, 04:47 PM
 
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That's the point. Such laws are a violation of the Equal Protection Clause as they allow some but not all to kill what has been legally established as a separate human life, without due process. Either anyone can kill an unborn child (including men who don't want the 18+ years of financial responsibility for a child - child support payments, etc.), or no one can. Can't have it both ways.
That's not a valid equal protection argument. It would be if men could get pregnant, but they can't. So, no equal protection issue.

 
Old 12-01-2021, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The MS law at issue bans abortions after 15 weeks gestation. Science is always improving viability. So does viability become a sliding scale in regards to abortion?
Viability has been the standard for 30 years, it has not changed but the make up of the court has. Mississippi could have filed this petition 10 years ago, 30 years ago but they waited until now, why.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 05:35 PM
 
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As it should be. If the courts had stayed out of social issues, then the voters in the various states would have already worked things out long ago. But the courts took that away from the states, and we have not been able to engage in those discussions.

We have lost forty years of debate, trial and error, which would have gotten us to a place where the people and the states would have come to an agreement on abortion issues.

Many misogynistic men who should mind their own business.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 06:19 PM
 
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So the government can’t quarantine a person with ebola? It can’t force a suicidal person to stay in the hospital? It can’t issue a restraining order? Those all result in taking some control over a person’s body to protect others.
A person with ebola is a threat to others. A woman seeking an abortion is not.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 06:22 PM
 
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A person with ebola is a threat to others. A woman seeking an abortion is not.
A woman seeking an abortion is a threat to the person she carries in her womb. That would be “others”, would it not?
 
Old 12-01-2021, 06:42 PM
 
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A woman seeking an abortion is a threat to the person she carries in her womb. That would be “others”, would it not?
It is not.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 06:47 PM
 
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It is not.
As others have explained, if someone else were to kill the baby, that person would rightfully be charged with murder.

When a woman has an abortion, it is a soul that is extinguished, a life that never gets lived. Make no mistake that it is a person—those body parts are salvaged and are valuable.

Look at it this way: the reason women want abortions is because that “thing” growing inside them is a person. It’s not a kitten or a robot or a doll. It is a human being, and they don’t want it.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 06:53 PM
 
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That's the point. Such laws are a violation of the Equal Protection Clause as they allow some but not all to kill what has been legally established as a separate human life, without due process. Either anyone can kill an unborn child (including men who don't want the 18+ years of financial responsibility for a child - child support payments, etc.), or no one can. Can't have it both ways.
FYI. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg used the equal protection clause in support of abortion.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 06:56 PM
 
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As others have explained, if someone else were to kill the baby, that person would rightfully be charged with murder.

When a woman has an abortion, it is a soul that is extinguished, a life that never gets lived. Make no mistake that it is a person—those body parts are salvaged and are valuable.

Look at it this way: the reason women want abortions is because that “thing” growing inside them is a person. It’s not a kitten or a robot or a doll. It is a human being, and they don’t want it.
A fetus is terminated. Most abortions happen in the first trimester. There are no body parts to be salvaged. Women aren’t stupid they know what abortion is.
 
Old 12-01-2021, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Viability has been the standard for 30 years, it has not changed but the make up of the court has. Mississippi could have filed this petition 10 years ago, 30 years ago but they waited until now, why.
To be fair, Mississippi passed this law in 2018, before Kavanaugh or Barrett were appointed to the Court. The 5th Circuit upheld the district court's injunction against the law in late 2019 and an appeal was filed with the Supreme Court in June of 2020 (Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court in July of 2020). The timeline doesn't seem so out of whack and intended to maximize the benefit of the new Court makeup. These laws and appeals were going to be filed regardless (and states like Mississippi have continued to test the limits of Casey over the years).
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