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Old 12-08-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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Total BS. Constitutional gun rights are taken away from Americans all the time. And there are MANY MILLIONS more gun owners in the US than there are women seeking an abortion.

If states can regulate/restrict gun rights, and they do (even red states do), they can regulate/restrict abortion. Keeping and bearing arms is a specifically enumerated Constitutional Right. Abortion is only a "perceived" right.

It's either one or the other. Either states are allowed to regulate/restrict rights, or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
Which state bans all firearms?

 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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How is that any different than blue states chomping at the bit to ban all guns? Constitutional gun rights are taken away from Americans all the time. And there are MANY MILLIONS more gun owners in the US than there are women seeking an abortion.

If states can regulate/restrict gun rights, and they do (even red states do), they can regulate/restrict abortion. Keeping and bearing arms is a specifically enumerated Constitutional Right. Abortion is only a "perceived" right.

It's either one or the other. Either states are allowed to regulate/restrict rights, or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
Off topic. This thread is not about whether or not abortion should be restricted/banned. It's about what will happen if it is.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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Reminder:

We are not discussing the merits of SCOTUS decision here. This is not a pro-choice vs. pro-life debate. We are discussing what sort of things would happen in America after the SCOTUS decision.
Probably another march on Washington with the ***** hat crew.

Lewd performances by celebrities.

Tons of garbage left behind.

And absolutely nothing of value to show for it. But there probably wouldn't be any looting, so that's a plus.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:45 PM
 
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While there seem to be many folks who are staunchly anti-abortion - no matter what the reason, I agree with other posters that RvW will not be overturned and abortions will not be completely banned. There will be limits as to terms/trimesters and potential waiting periods. Abortions on a whim will not be performed.

Do I think anyone will suddenly become more responsible? Heck no! Yes, the number of abortions will likely drop, but that isn't a bad thing.

I know why so many on this thread have stated "women need to be more responsible in their choices" and I think that frustrates me more than anything. Maybe men will need to be more responsible as agencies start to use DNA testing to identify fathers who are abandoning the babies/children.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:46 PM
 
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Which state bans all firearms?
Which state bans all abortions? Even the MS law currently at issue at SCOTUS does not ban all abortions.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:47 PM
 
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Probably another march on Washington with the ***** hat crew.

Lewd performances by celebrities.

Tons of garbage left behind.

And absolutely nothing of value to show for it. But there probably wouldn't be any looting, so that's a plus.
Probably will be lots of marches.

Probably also lots of boycotts of states/cities/businesses.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:48 PM
 
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Which state bans all abortions? Even the MS law currently at issue at SCOTUS does not ban all abortions.
Overturning Roe v Wade will trigger bans on abortion in many states.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:48 PM
 
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Probably another march on Washington with the ***** hat crew.

Lewd performances by celebrities.

Tons of garbage left behind.

And absolutely nothing of value to show for it.
And they actually think that helps their cause. Stupid is as stupid does...
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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The GOP has a strong advantage going into midterms right now. Overturning RvW will wipe that out. This shows clearly they prefer the religious right over woman, and that message will be told VERY clearly. This might be enough to hand midterms back to democrats.
if you can brainwash enough people to believe that's why they ruled the way they may, sure.

Problem is, if you go read more, and beyond the "progressive" or "pro-abortion" takes, you'll see the questions and statements from the SCOTUS have revolved around states' rights/10th Amendment.

"Does a woman have a right to obtain an abortion in the US?" - this is yes, and will be yes.
"Does the Federal government have the right to make laws that ignore the 10th Amendment?" - that should have always been no, and would become no.

As has been said, abortion will still be legal in the US. It will most likely remain legal in every state. It's just that each state will have its own laws regarding the requirements, restrictions, etc.

How would NY's "until birth and maybe even after if the woman chooses" be anymore legal or illegal than a "heartbeat law"?
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:51 PM
 
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Off topic. This thread is not about whether or not abortion should be restricted/banned. It's about what will happen if it is.
Actually it is VERY relevant to the topic. If it turns out that Roe isn't reversed and the regulation of abortion isn't returned to the states, then states can't regulate gun rights, either.
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