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The ones who refused cost them lot some were court martialed. The ones who appealed lost their legal battles in federal court and appeals. If you don't want to get a vaccine don't join the military you joined up. The Army veterans were were exposed to fall out from above ground nukes never won anything in court.
one in 2019 and the other in 2020 — were granted by the Navy, which awarded two Marine veterans some backpay, rank restoration, discharge upgrades and access to veterans benefits.
Oh, so it's not the principle of the thing after all? Sorry, my bad.
Well, never fear, it's young days for the COVID-19 virus. A pretty significant portion of the population is heroically volunteering to be the lab rats to see how far COVID-19 can go. Smallpox had thousands of years to reach its preferred level of virulence.
No, principle still stands; no entity should be allowed to force anyone to get anything in this regards. However, you are comparing apples and oranges. Those who want the choice, surely more likely will volunteer to get something that has a 30% fatality rate versus a disease that has a what, 0.001% death rate for the cohort?
Your analogy is like saying if someone is for the Second Amendment, that means they are fine with people having nuclear weapons also, lol. After all, it is an "arm".
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The ones who refused cost them lot some were court martialed. The ones who appealed lost their legal battles in federal court and appeals. If you don't want to get a vaccine don't join the military you joined up. The Army veterans were were exposed to fall out from above ground nukes never won anything in court.
Covid did not exist when most people who are in the military now joined, thus there was no "if you do not want to get the vaccine, do not join" choice.
Covid did not exist when most people who are in the military now joined, thus there was no "if you do not want to get the vaccine, do not join" choice.
I didn't get a choice with the swine flu vaccine, nor with the anthrax vaccine.
When it comes to "choice" the message of the military is that you lost your last free choice when you signed up. Everything after that is a matter of the choices they allow you.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is expected to seek authorization to make Covid-19 vaccines mandatory for all active duty troops as soon as this week, following President Joe Biden’s directive that the military examine how and when it could make that happen.
If the Secretary makes that final recommendation, he could seek a presidential waiver to allow the vaccine to be administered to troops before full approval by the Food and Drug Administration. A Pentagon decision and recommendation on how to proceed could come this week, several officials say.
So...what happens to the active duty antivaxxers if they refuse?
Back in the day when I was active duty, they’d put you on a roster that said you were “not able to deploy” which basically rendered you useless. You’d have 180 days to separate from the service and you’d be ineligible for re-enlistment. So, either you conform or you get out.
Have things changed?
I cannot understand why there are military members balking at the vaccine.
When you join the military you’re basically government property and the healthcare and dental care you get is basically “maintenance”. They spent a lot of money training you so they want to keep the force healthy.
If someone has issues following orders then he or she needs to GTFO.
This is not actually a vaccine. It is an experimental treatment that has had very negative side effects on younger people. And that is just after a short time. The longer term effects are of course not known.
Also, for those other shots, all of these troops had the opportunity to not sign up if they did not want to get them. In this case, they need to offer everyone the option of an honorable discharge, allowing them to leave the military rather than get the shot. If they do not offer that option, then these monsters will be guilty of violating the medical standards established in the Nuremberg trials, which ended with many Nazi leaders being hung with piano wire.
This is not some sort of benign or benevolent action here. If they go through with it, it will be an act of coercion in any case. This is really nasty stuff being contemplated by some seriously despicable people.
Again did you not read it all???? They got nowhere with the courts look below read what I copied.
"Years ago, official Pentagon statements indicated that an estimated 350 servicemembers had refused the vaccine between 1998 to 2000. At least three dozen of them were court-martialed and hundreds left the service to avoid the vaccine, according to Pentagon statements in 2005. Also, at least another 149 troops were forced out of the service for vaccine refusal from 2000 to 2004. Those numbers did not include troops who refused but were allowed to leave the service without punishment or simply allowed to not receive the shot and suffered no repercussions."
"In 2004, a court injunction halted the military’s mandatory vaccination program, declaring the previous six years of vaccine administration to be illegal.
Yet when individual veterans appealed their cases in federal court, the judges mostly rejected those claims, siding with a ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces that dismissed arguments using the 2004 injunction."
Out of all those 2 were able to be restored it wasn't because of the courts. Likely connected to higher up the food chain. You know how it works if your a son of a general, or some Politician something can be done to resolve it.
Biden has ordered covid vaccines and it's going to be done. The only difference this time is they are allowed to separate. If you have 10-15 years in want that retirement are you going to refuse throw it all away because of pseudoscience and Conspiracy. Anthrax vaccine was far more "Experimental" then the Covid Vaccine. Reality is a Military personal are more likely to be killed by friendly fire then Covid vaccine. The risk of harm from this vaccine is tiny fraction of a %.
I think the question is what happens if 20-30% of active duty military still refuses the vaccine? That large of a number isn't easy to replace at the drop of a hat. Training takes time as does recruiting. Or do we accept a military that is 20-30% smaller?
Hahahaha!
No, it won’t be 20-30 percent.
The military has periodic draw downs.
They’ll be fine. Besides, having a military that doesn’t follow orders is pointless.
Back in the day when I was active duty, they’d put you on a roster that said you were “not able to deploy” which basically rendered you useless. You’d have 180 days to separate from the service and you’d be ineligible for re-enlistment. So, either you conform or you get out.
Have things changed?
I cannot understand why there are military members balking at the vaccine.
When you join the military you’re basically government property and the healthcare and dental care you get is basically “maintenance”. They spent a lot of money training you so they want to keep the force healthy.
If someone has issues following orders then he or she needs to GTFO.
I served in the US Army from 2000-2014 (6 out of 14 years as a Platoon Leader, XO, and CO).
The excuses "I was only following order" doesn't work anymore, especially after the Abu Ghraib prison torture scandals.
How about add "lawful" in front of the orders?
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They got nowhere with the courts look below read what I copied. 
