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Old 08-06-2021, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Ever, is a big word. How long have accurate temperature records been kept for Salt Lake City. I don't think it's been ever and ever, more like, scattered temperature readings, and not calibrated in any manner, possibly since the late 1800s. So maybe 120 years.
Again, this discussion is about conditions today, not the distant past.
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Old 08-06-2021, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Then why are you blaming the climate?
Because the climate is causing the fire and the fire is creating thunder clouds, hence lightning strikes.

How Bad Is the Bootleg Fire? It’s Generating Its Own Weather.
Unpredictable winds, fire clouds that spawn lightning, and flames that leap over firebreaks are confounding efforts to fight the blaze, which is sweeping through southern Oregon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/c...e-weather.html
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Old 08-06-2021, 08:33 PM
 
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Because the climate is causing the fire and the fire is creating thunder clouds, hence lightning strikes.

How Bad Is the Bootleg Fire? It’s Generating Its Own Weather.
Unpredictable winds, fire clouds that spawn lightning, and flames that leap over firebreaks are confounding efforts to fight the blaze, which is sweeping through southern Oregon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/c...e-weather.html
My god sanspeur, how many times do I have to show you the data that says climate change is not causing an increase in wildfires..........?????
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Old 08-06-2021, 08:50 PM
 
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Basically I'm trying to educate the ignorant masses today.
No, you played Al Gore today and used anecdotes and hyperbole so that when an especially cold day hits somewhere or lots of snow we'll have people using your same anti-science arguments as *proof* that it's not getting warmer.
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Old 08-06-2021, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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My god sanspeur, how many times do I have to show you the data that says climate change is not causing an increase in wildfires..........?????
How many times do I have to show you that you are wrong?

Our ability to track fires in a concerted way over the last 20 years with satellite data has captured large-scale trends, such as increased fire activity, consistent with a warming climate in places like the western U.S., Canada and other parts of Northern Hemisphere forests where fuels are abundant," said Doug Morton, chief of the Biospheric Sciences Laboratory at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "Where warming and drying climate has increased the risk of fires, we’ve seen an increase in burning."

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/s...pact-on-fires/
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Old 08-06-2021, 10:20 PM
 
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Sorry bubba, not taking your bait.
Canada has funded its socialism on oil. How do you deal with that fact?
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Old 08-06-2021, 10:20 PM
 
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The fires can be seen as nature's nudge to get a move on, before the western states become too dry to sustain their populations. Or as nature weeding her garden. Westerners will eventually load their covered wagons or SUVs and hit the trails.
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Old 08-07-2021, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Canada has funded its socialism on oil. How do you deal with that fact?
Well, it's not a fact, so let's start with that.
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Old 08-07-2021, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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I have no doubts that to some degree the climate is changing due to man-made pollution. The U.S. can only do so much, and nothing is going to improve until someone gets China and India on board.

That said, recorded weather data only goes back so far, and it's only speculation as to what cycles the planet went through in the last 10,000 years. What we are experiencing could very well be part of a natural cycle of heating and cooling, and the pollution produced by developing nations is the real reason why it's getting worse.
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Old 08-07-2021, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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BC. wildfire map.

https://governmentofbc.maps.arcgis.c...ca00bdbfffa3b1

US wildfire map.

https://www.fireweatheravalanche.org/fire/
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