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Old 08-15-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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California racing to the lowest common denominator
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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I looked this up because my friend's sister is a Calculus teacher in SF and they told her there were getting rid of it. The document I see certainly implies that is the intention. No?
Your friend’s sister needs to read the FAQs from your link. URL below.

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/mathfwfaqs.asp

The subsection to read is titled, “ Does the draft Mathematics Framework remove high school calculus?”

Spoiler alert— the first word is “No.”
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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Yes, the key point in the whole block of text is that there is too much remediation for Calculus when these HS calc students get to college.

Remediation at the college level is perceived as a waste of time and resources.
I rarely agree with you but I've had numerous college Calculus instructors tell me they wish that it would be dropped in high school. They claim that the students pick up bad habits that are difficult to shake when they get to college.
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:17 AM
 
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It seems pointless to force every high schooler to learn calculus. It’s certainly a good idea for college-bound students who want to major in STEM. For everyone else, it’s probably not necessary.

With a solid foundation in algebra and basic trig, one can always start learning calculus in college if they so desire.
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:17 AM
 
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I had calculus in high school and 3 semesters of it in college. I found it interesting, but have never had to use it for anything since. On the other hand, I use algebra and trigonometry on a regular basis (not at work, just in everyday life). I suppose there are people who use calculus regularly in a non-educational context, but I'd be willing to bet it's rare. Calculus doesn't "feel" like foundational knowledge to me, unlike algebra and trig. As such, I find myself in the extremely uncomfortable position of agreeing with California on something.

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Old 08-15-2021, 11:25 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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It seems pointless to force every high schooler to learn calculus. It’s certainly a good idea for college-bound students who want to major in STEM. For everyone else, it’s probably not necessary.

With a solid foundation in algebra and basic trig, one can always start learning calculus in college if they so desire.
I don't know of any school (except maybe exclusive private ones) that require Calculus to be taken by everyone. I know no state has it as a graduation requirement.

Yes, you do have educational "experts" here who advocate for it.
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:33 AM
 
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I had calculus in high school and 3 semesters of it in college. I found it interesting, but have never had to use it for anything since. On the other hand, I use algebra and trigonometry on a regular basis (not at work, just in everyday life). I suppose there are people who use calculus regularly in a non-educational context, but I'd be willing to bet it's rare. Calculus doesn't "feel" like foundational knowledge to me, unlike algebra and trig. As such, I find myself in the extremely uncomfortable position of agreeing with California on something.
People take calculus after they have mastered the “foundational” Math classes like algebra and trig.
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:34 AM
 
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Very few people will ever need calculus or any kind of Algebra. I took Algebra and have NEVER used it. Calculus was not even offered when I was in high school and it is not required in college.
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:37 AM
 
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I'm not saying a HS student cannot understand calculus. It's just that most HS math teachers lack the training to teach it properly.
I took Calculus in highschool, passed the AP with a 5, and it was MUCH better than in college. University professors are horrible in comparison, and they rush through and try to cram too much into a semester long course.
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Old 08-15-2021, 11:37 AM
 
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I rarely agree with you but I've had numerous college Calculus instructors tell me they wish that it would be dropped in high school. They claim that the students pick up bad habits that are difficult to shake when they get to college.
I took algebra in high school. In college they told us to forget what we had learned in high school.
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