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You know perfectly well that N95 and better masks were greatly limited and were being directed to medical personnel.
Yes, I do, and I don't care. It's not my job to ensure adequate supply of PPE to the general public. My job is to protect myself and if that means I'm buying up limited PPE, so be it. If I buy a dozen N95s and take them off the market, that doesn't move the needle in the grand scheme of things. Either COVID is a real legitimate threat or it isn't. If it is, N95s or better only. If it isn't, the threat doesn't exist and any "mitigation" measures are unnecessary. "It's a threat but we are forcing you to wear protection that doesn't protect you" is not an acceptable solution. The fact that they're not requiring N95s or better only tells me that it's not a threat, so while I'll wear a mask, it's going to be the flimsiest mask I can find on the market that passes as one.
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Originally Posted by lottamoxie
Yes, some people managed to get them and others managed to get something up there in somewhat similar percentage effectiveness (like K95 masks). The government can't mandate a PPE that the general public can't readily get--that's common sense.
That's not my problem. Either provision them themselves, ensure adequate supply or leave me alone. I won't accept that pathetic excuse as a reason for ineffective mandates or security theater. There's a reason we pay bureaucrats lots of money and security theater is not one of those reasons. If they don't feel up to the job, maybe they should quit and find something else to do instead of promulgating ineffectual policy.
There's also another thing - flight attendants are not law enforcement. Airlines are not in the business of enforcing laws. They're in the business of transporting customers from A to B in reasonable safety reasonably on time. Enforcing laws is outside the scope of their business. Only law enforcement has the authority, legal indemnity and responsibility to do that. Is the CDC dictatorship dispatching air marshals on every flight and paying the bill for it, or letting airlines foot the bill for their ill-conceived, barely effective, costly measures, just like they hung small businesses and landlords out to dry?
Last edited by albert648; 08-21-2021 at 03:36 PM..
I just flew to Montana, 4.5 hours each way. 2150 miles.
You might have a bigger exposure than someone flying after driving that far over 4-5 days (gas stations, hotels, restaurants, etc).
Mod cut.
Being on the road is NOTHING like being in a pressurized can with people breathing and that air being recirculated. Airports also get people from ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Gas stations are zero contact, how hard is it to use your damn card?
Hotels are actually very low risk as well, if you just go in to your room it is far less contact than the damn grocery store.
Restaurants, its called a drive thru.
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Being on the road is NOTHING like being in a pressurized can with people breathing and that air being recirculated. Airports also get people from ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Gas stations are zero contact, how hard is it to use your damn card?
Hotels are actually very low risk as well, if you just go in to your room it is far less contact than the damn grocery store.
Restaurants, its called a drive thru.
Zero contact? You don't pick up the handle to pump your gas?
Hotels low risk? Hmmm short staffed, maybe your room didn't get cleaned from the last guest
Drive through? Is that cashier sniffling and wiping her nose as you pull up?
You do realize the planes are filtering the air with hospital grade filters. Airlines calculate that their HEPA filters remove 99.7 percent of airborne particles (like ones used by United Airlines) to 99.999 percent (such as those in use on Delta Air Lines planes). Most aircraft cabin air is "carefully controlled" and completely changed 20 to 30 times per hour with recirculation systems that blend some fresh air with up to 50 percent recycled of cabin air that pass through HEPA filters on “most modern aircraft,” according to the World Health Organization.
Plus with everyone wearing masks, how much is that air polluted anyway?
Somehow, we've managed to survive on domestic transportation without ever requiring any kind of vaccine for any kind of disease. Nor have we ever required masks to be worn during annual flu seasons or SARS or the Swine Flu or anything else. And yet, now, suddenly we're all going to die if we don't wear a mask? The fear mongering is getting a little old.
I supported mask wearing before the vaccines became available, because it was the best line of defense we had. But now we have the vaccines. Are they suddenly worthless? Are we to go on wearing masks forever? At what point do we say that people need to take whatever safety precautions work for them, but that the rest of us don't have to be muzzled on their behalf?
Up until fairly recently, it was a given that people had been vaccinated against polio, smallpox, measles, etc. so requiring proof wasn’t necessary.
A couple of years ago, there was a huge measles outbreak that was traced to air travel.
People were warned then that they could be blocked from flying.
So, precedent.
The following is from 2019:
“As measles cases in the USA continue to rise from their highest level in a quarter-century, health officials pondered a drastic step – forbidding those believed to be infected from flying.
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Eight people from five states were warned the federal government could put them on a Do Not Board list managed by the CDC, and they canceled their travel plans, the newspaper said.
Such tactics may strike some as heavy-handed, but they have been validated through decades of case law, said Mark Ustin, head of the health care compliance and lobbying practices at the New York law firm Farrell Fritz.“
Anyway, it’s long been accepted that airborne infections can spread on planes, so, bring on the masks.
From 2005:
“Because of the increasing ease and affordability of air travel and mobility of people, airborne, food-borne, vector-borne, and zoonotic infectious diseases transmitted during commercial air travel are an important public health issue. Heightened fear of bioterrorism agents has caused health officials to re-examine the potential of these agents to be spread by air travel. The severe acute respiratory syndrome outbreak of 2002 showed how air travel can have an important role in the rapid spread of newly emerging infections and could potentially even start pandemics.”
There's also another thing - flight attendants are not law enforcement. Airlines are not in the business of enforcing laws. They're in the business of transporting customers from A to B in reasonable safety reasonably on time. Enforcing laws is outside the scope of their business. Only law enforcement has the authority, legal indemnity and responsibility to do that. Is the CDC dictatorship dispatching air marshals on every flight and paying the bill for it, or letting airlines foot the bill for their ill-conceived, barely effective, costly measures, just like they hung small businesses and landlords out to dry?
FAs are not law enforcement but interfering with or disobeying reasonable orders from a flight crew is treated as a very serious matter and the only time the courts will be on the side of the passenger is if the FA says something racist or xenophobic on camera.
And the typical passenger that just wants to get their destination with minimal fuss and drama is typically perfectly fine with this since having to divert to Kansas City to offload a drunk and disruptive passenger screws up their travel day.
What a sad world we live in if people just care/worry about themselves. No wonder we are being faced with all of this right now.
If people want to live in a society don't you think that they should have a social conscious and care about their community and those that are in it?
sad, but true:
To this I say depends how fat ones' bank account is. Poor and ordinary people have no choice but to be social conscious, unlike fat bank account holders: they rule
sad, but true:
To this I say depends how fat ones' bank account is. Poor and ordinary people have no choice but to be social conscious, unlike fat bank account holders: they rule
Are you suggesting that it's just rich people who are stubbornly refusing to play a part in protecting one another and be socially conscious? I assure you, that's most definitely not the case.
airline companies are fully justified to enforce any policies they want...it's their company after all, nobody's forcing anyone to fly with them.
just like the restaurant owner (in New York if I'm not mistaken) that imposed a policy that if you're vaccinated, you're NOT welcome in his establishments.
Lol okay. I have a car, will be getting another one in February. NOTHING they can do will make me or my family take the vaccine.
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