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Old 08-19-2021, 08:27 AM
 
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It is, all the time. I knew someone on a transplant list who was ineligible until he was no longer using heroin.
Man, you are REALLY reaching. That's not even remotely the same thing.

It's like saying, "No lung transplant for you until you stop playing Russian roulette!"

That is NOT the same as pulling people set for surgery, after they have already been on the transplant list, because of no vaccine.

And, this is at ONE particular hospital (that we know of)

 
Old 08-19-2021, 08:29 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Ah, government directed healthcare for ALL... see the footnote for exceptions!!!!!
 
Old 08-19-2021, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Blackmailed into the vaccine? But it's a choice, right? (as some here like to say)

Does this sound normal? (I know - some of you are going to say "yes")

This is just unconscionable....

Hospital removed sick patients from transplant wait list after they refused to get the COVID vaccine: Report

https://www.theblaze.com/news/hospit...itlist-vaccine


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How can you people in favor of the shot argue in favor of this without just being evil?

Business as usual?
There are substantially more people on heart transplant lists than hearts available. Hospitals routinely choose those who have the best chances of survival which is why the one year survival rate is 85-90% and the 5 year survival rate is 69%.

The American Heart Association recommends transplant patients are priority recipients for a booster shot due to compromised immune systems.

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/3rd-...immune-systems

Imagine someone on a wait list who chooses not to vaccinate is not going to be cleared for transplant as they are more vulnerable to Covid complications, hospitalization and death wasting a heart that would otherwise go to someone with better odds of long term survival.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 08:48 AM
 
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A friend of mine had a liver transplant a couple years ago. He refuses to get vaccinated as a result.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So if a heart transplant candidate refuses to stop eating unhealthy food does that count as grounds to deny? What about a liver transplant candidate whose condition was caused by alcohol problems? If medical treatment is refused based on covid vaccine grounds, it needs to be denied for many other situations.
There are substantially more people on waitlists for organ transplants than there are organs to be transplanted.

It becomes necessary to cherry pick those who have the best shot at long term survival including following medical advise and lifetime medications with side effects.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 09:02 AM
 
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You are not typically a candidate for a transplant if you can't or refuse to follow protocols beforehand. Others one, too, which have to be followed. Lab values have to be looked at w/in other body systems and their functioning. Psychosocial factors, etc. too, are looked at.

Post transplant, they're typically on 40 meds/day to fight rejection, which is a constant problem they must actively address. They taper down, I think, as they can, but it's a constant fight of your body trying to reject the organ. If they can't get a vaccine, they're not doing the work necessary to give themselves a fighting chance of being alive post transplant, which can be tenuous.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Which is why sometimes I think we as human beings don't deserve nice things.

Many doctors did not even see patients at the beginning of the pandemic, they just did not want to deal with it. For the exhausted nurses and doctors who are in the front line, they get to be called murderer? How about we try to live in a society without medical professionals for one damn day and see what happens.

Your family member is an angel.
Most medical offices decline to see a Covid positive patient in person.
Remote appointments are available.

Patients are told to self quarantine, hydrate, take OTC for fever and aches and proceed to the nearest ER if symptoms persist or breathing becomes compromised.

Most medical offices and dental facilities require masking up and take patients temps before anything else.

ERs generally strive to do a good job of isolating patients who present with Covid symptoms from all others in their waiting rooms.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 09:09 AM
 
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There are substantially more people on heart transplant lists than hearts available. Hospitals routinely choose those who have the best chances of survival which is why the one year survival rate is 85-90% and the 5 year survival rate is 69%.

The American Heart Association recommends transplant patients are priority recipients for a booster shot due to compromised immune systems.

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/3rd-...immune-systems

Imagine someone on a wait list who chooses not to vaccinate is not going to be cleared for transplant as they are more vulnerable to Covid complications, hospitalization and death wasting a heart that would otherwise go to someone with better odds of long term survival.
And imagine that someone waiting for a heart transplant is forced to get the vaccine, has one of the "rare" reported side effects that affect their already weak heart and they die. I guess that is okay because..heck they were going to die anyway..right?

Or perhaps a worse situation. Say they survive through the heart transplant and then run into a rare reaction to the vaccine and die after the transplant?

Of course, there is no guarantee that they will get this "side effect", but there is also no guarantee that they will get COVID either. There is also no guarantee that they won't be walking down the street and getting hit by a car, get the flu, get some other respiratory virus, break a leg that causes a blood clot, or the thousands of other things that could kill them.

We can play this "what if" game all day long. But not one person can predict the future, just like you can't assume that someone will get a side effect, you can't assume that just because a person doesn't get the vaccine they will get COVID and die.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Ah, government directed healthcare for ALL... see the footnote for exceptions!!!!!
Government directed?

The American Heart Association advises the CDC on issues involving transplants and the CDC recommends……

It comes down to the medical center to decide which patients have the best shot of survival given there are way more people in need than there are hearts available and all removed organs have an expiration hour.

If only more people and their families would agree to organ donations …….the wait lists would not be what they are.
 
Old 08-19-2021, 09:20 AM
 
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I think that person means the government pushed mandates about the shots on everyone.
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